Are you people serious?

[cat77]

Can all of you that are putting this loss on Stoops please tell me how it is his Z missed two pat's Nowoko and Ant both fumbled leading to 10 points and its all his fault. How fast we all forget this is a rivalry game that has some of the wirdest twists and turns of any game. Sorry I can blame Stoops for a lot of things but this loss is not on him IMO. I know I will surely be run off this board for this post at thi time but oh well.

[AZ Golfer]

Agreed. Coaching and Foles put us in position to win. We just didn't execute.

I'm sure getting one or two of the FOUR missed interceptions would have helped as well.

[97cats]

its more then the PAT's.

ive said it so many times i cant break it down again but from 7-1 to 7-5 losing the last 4 games to close out the season should not go w/out reponsibility and critisism of the head coach.

especially when execution, mental make-up, focus, preparation, and penalties are at the fore front of every one of those loses.

[ExCat98]

Can all of you that are putting this loss on Stoops please tell me how it is his Z missed two field goals, Nowoko and Ant both fumbled leading to 10 points and its all his fault. How fast we all forget this is a rivalry game that has some of the wirdest twists and turns of any game. Sorry I can blame Stoops for a lot of things but this loss is not on him IMO. I know I will surely be run off this board for this post at thi time but oh well.

How many times has your buttcheak squeezed when Z kicks a ****ing xtra point? Enough said!

[WildcatBlitz]

Who do you blame? Its not like we weren't having the same issues last year. Our special teams has gotten worse over the past three years and yes that is on the special teams coach but also on Stoops for letting it happened. He is the head coach, he needs to make the hard decisions.

The game also wasn't just lost by the kicking game did you miss the whole first half? I haven't seen a worse half of football in such a long time. The offensive play calling is really bad, the defense was a complete let down. This season is not all on Z.

[Drugolf]

I agree with you other than big picture issues not directly associated with the game time coaching like not fixing the kicking game the last 2 years.

I think our coaches did a pretty good job of in-game coaching this game. They figured out how to move the ball as the game went on but unfortunately a couple players gave the ball back to ASU. Plus we should of had about 3 pics that we didn't come up with - some might say more - and if we do we blow them out.

[Merkin]

its more then the PAT's.

ive said it so many times i cant break it down again but from 7-1 to 7-5 losing the last 4 games to close out the season should not go w/out reponsibility and critisism of the head coach.

especially when execution, mental make-up, focus, preparation, and penalties are at the fore front of every one of those loses.

If I remember right, one of the announcers said this is Stoops' most penalized team.

That has to be on the coach.

[Olson Court]

It isnt just this game.

PLAYERS NOT DEVELOPING some even getting worse as the season goes on.

Players are obviously not responding to Stoops anymore, it appears they even quit playing for him. His temper, his outbursts etc, gets under the players skin and they stop responding to him, MANY HAVE COMMENTED ON THIS, good quality and knowledgeable posters have said they see this also.


This game alone is not what it is all about, OVERALL Stoops is not getting the job done and I dont think the players are enjoying playing for him.

[ExCat98]

Who do you blame? Its not like we weren't having the same issues last year. Our special teams has gotten worse over the past three years and yes that is on the special teams coach but also on Stoops for letting it happened. He is the head coach, he needs to make the hard decisions.

The game also wasn't just lost by the kicking game did you miss the whole first half? I haven't seen a worse half of football in such a long time. The offensive play calling is really bad, the defense was a complete let down. This season is not all on Z.

The ****ing head coach. who is our back up kicker? Two missed PAT's is a ****ing joke!

[T-Bone]

Wird.

[Olson Court]

If I remember right, one of the announcers said this is Stoops' most penalized team.

That has to be on the coach.

Lack of discipline is the first symptom that a team has stopped responding to a coach, EARLY IN STOOPS CAREER AZ was the LEAST penalized team in the pac ten, now lately they are one of the most penalized, this is a sure sign of player rebellion, players quitting in Stoops and no longer responding to him, WHEN THIS HAPPENS THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO SAVE THE PROGRAM EXCEPT REPLACE THE COACH.

[tstein7240]

It is funny... I have seen different Stoop supporters blame the ST Coach, OCs, DCs and players tonight.

Who is responsible for hiring the coaching staff, selecting players to recruit and motivating the team?

[TheCat]

its more then the PAT's.

ive said it so many times i cant break it down again but from 7-1 to 7-5 losing the last 4 games to close out the season should not go w/out reponsibility and critisism of the head coach.

especially when execution, mental make-up, focus, preparation, and penalties are at the fore front of every one of those loses.
Well two of those losses came against the number 1 and number 4 schools in the country. The loss to USC was bad because we could not stop the run. Some adj should have been made. Tonight....sorry not on the coaching staff. Two guys cough up the ball in the 4th and two miss PAT's.

[TheCat]

Lack of discipline is the first symptom that a team has stopped responding to a coach, EARLY IN STOOPS CAREER AZ was the LEAST penalized team in the pac ten, now lately they are one of the most penalized, this is a sure sign of player rebellion, players quitting in Stoops and no longer responding to him, WHEN THIS HAPPENS THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO SAVE THE PROGRAM EXCEPT REPLACE THE COACH.

You have obviously never talked to the players and how they feel about stoops. They are going to their third bowl and some of those guys were here early on and know the blood, sweat and tears that have been shead.

[CatFanInTexas]

Just a few blitz calls tonight would've made all the difference in the world. Instead, Stoops was content on sending 4 and letting them convert on long 3rd downs time and time again. But let's blame that on the kicker too.

Stoops sucks.

[ElephantWalker]

Not Stoops' fault at ALL, BUT this is a good a team as he will EVER produce. ALWAYS a missing piece.

I guess we live with it were not a football school.

[NorCalCat]

Can all of you that are putting this loss on Stoops please tell me how it is his Z missed two field goals, Nowoko and Ant both fumbled leading to 10 points and its all his fault. How fast we all forget this is a rivalry game that has some of the wirdest twists and turns of any game. Sorry I can blame Stoops for a lot of things but this loss is not on him IMO. I know I will surely be run off this board for this post at thi time but oh well.

Where is the buck supposed to stop?


It's damn near the most automatic play in sports, and we don't have anyone who can execute it with regularity. It's like the manager at McDonald's claiming it's not his fault that his cashier can't add. Well then why is he working the ****ing register?

[azcat34]

Going for it on our OWN 20 yard line perhaps?

[97cats]

Well two of those losses came against the number 1 and number 4 schools in the country. The loss to USC was bad because we could not stop the run. Some adj should have been made. Tonight....sorry not on the coaching staff. Two guys cough up the ball in the 4th and two miss PAT's.

this line of thinking is what will keep Arizona Football in the mediocre catagory that they so comfortable reside in.

it all starts at the top, thats a fact jack.

[Daryl Zero]

Everyone is going overboard. I was pretty proud of the team to come back. At the end of the day, the team was not good enough to continue to make mistakes. The fumble at the 50 killed us. The missed interceptions. The missed tackles. Allowing ASU's QB to run for how many first downs?

If you all remember, this team was supposed to be not that good. It played better than it should have early and then worse than it could have late. It all evened out. Karma is a big fat ugly biotch.

Frankly, we finished about right where we should have. If Washington loses, Arizona can still go to the Alamo Bowl where it will probably lose because apparently this team cannot put together a full 4 quarters of play.

I can tell you that it is going to take a few years before I spend the money to try to get to another bowl game after last year's experience.

Is this on Stoops or the players? I think there is a bit of both. I was pretty surprised at the failure of the O Line to open up running plays. I thought the play calling was fairly conservative in many games including the first half of this one. Our secondary turned out to be porous and they can't catch an interception to save their lives. But ultimately, the expectations were too high.

Though the outcome bums me, I thought the team played with a lot of heart in the second half. They had a really good year and they will go to a good bowl game. That's whats important. All I can say that I have a taste of how Boise fans must feel and I can't say it tastes very good.

[Cats101]

Stoops is way to conservative for my liking.

[cat77]

This could be a long post but I will some it up.

2 - missed extra points take two points off the how'd

2 - fumbles leading to 10 points for the scummies


And before someone says somthin like well we were just running up the middle save it. The run was working in the second half but the fumbles killed it.

Sorry I just can't put this loss on Stoops. He did not fumble twice or miss two pat's. I know I will be run off this board for this opinion and the opinion that the run was workin in the second half but oh well.

[Ztonyg]

Who do you blame? Its not like we weren't having the same issues last year. Our special teams has gotten worse over the past three years and yes that is on the special teams coach but also on Stoops for letting it happened. He is the head coach, he needs to make the hard decisions.

The game also wasn't just lost by the kicking game did you miss the whole first half? I haven't seen a worse half of football in such a long time. The offensive play calling is really bad, the defense was a complete let down. This season is not all on Z.

The offensive play calling has been my biggest complaint since the middle of last season. Our offense is best when it runs the two-minute drill and other pressure type situations with a pass first focus. For the vast majority of the game though, the play calling consists of 1st down run (for little to no yardage), 2nd down run (for little to no yardage), 3rd down pass (and hopefully get a 1st but more than likely get stopped). We don't have the personnel at running back to be able to be effective running these plays (I'm thinking of a 6' tall 250 lb. back to go along with a 5'10 190 lb. back). Our backs are all undersized.

[WildcatBlitz]

are you serious in starting a new thread?

[Chicat]

Since this thread has the same title as the other one . . . I think I'll merge them.

[97cats]

wtf, delete

[Katzenfreund]

After obvious regressions of certain parts of the team and FOUR consecutive humiliations you have to pin it on the HC! We've had problems all season long and - here it comes - they've got worse with almost every game! Kicking, running, tackling... it all went downhill and Stoops had ZERO answer to it. He recruited and coaches this team and therefore he's fully responsible for the outcome.

[Daryl Zero]

Since this thread has the same title as the other one . . . I think I'll merge them.

Are you serious????

[97cats]

Frankly, we finished about right where we should have.

i totally dont agree.

at 7-1 ending with 4 straight loses to finish 7-5 with a loss to your hated rival at home is total disapointment and underachievement to me.

[Chicat]

Are you serious????

Thought it was a glitch in the Matrix for a second there.

[Daryl Zero]

i totally dont agree.

at 7-1 ending with 4 straight loses to finish 7-5 with a loss to your hated rival at home is total disapointment and underachievement to me.

http://forum.goazcats.com/showthread.php?t=102784&highlight=wins

[PieceOfMeat]

2 - fumbles leading to 10 points for the scummies


You do realize that the ant fumble....wasn't a fumble, right?

it ws reviewed, and overturned.

and then on 4th down, we go up the middle again and don't convert it.

[cat77]

Ya it was a stupid double post mistake on my part.........posting from my phone for the first time.....you can delete not merge. Not that you need ny permission to delete

[97cats]

http://forum.goazcats.com/showthread.php?t=102784&highlight=wins

nice find but with all due respect that was in July.

teams develop and have opportunities to rise above, imo, this yrs team had a chance to do that and for whatever reason (insert opinion) that didnt happen.

opportunity wasted opportunity lost.

average is something ive never warmed up to.

[Daryl Zero]

nice find but with all due respect that was in July.

teams develop and have opportunities to rise above, imo, this yrs team had a chance to do that and for whatever reason (insert opinion) that didnt happen.

opportunity wasted opportunity lost.

average is something ive never warmed up to.

I'm not ok with it either. My point is that Arizona wasn't really as good as we thought and the record was misleading and a result of some luck. Could have easily lost to Cal and Iowa. The win over Cal was due to Cal's kicker's mistakes.

As I said, karma is a big fat ugly biotch.

[Alliecat]

Coach needs to be criticized for sure, but there is just too much "fire him" talk right now. We lost to two top 4 teams and lost the other three games by a combined 6 points, so were not that far off. When they talk about what Stoops has done the past three years I hear a lot of best since 1998 and with a win tonight would've done something we haven't done since 1975 or whatever...what makes everyone believe we deserve to be in the same class as Oregon or USC in football, any momentum we have in football has come from the Mike Stoops era

[cat77]

You do realize that the ant fumble....wasn't a fumble, right?

it ws reviewed, and overturned.

and then on 4th down, we go up the middle again and don't convert it.

Awes sorry I.missed.that.part. had to take a breathed for a.second and missed they over turned it!!!!!!! Thanks for setting me straight.

However in that case how was Stoops playing not to win. That is a gutsy ass call. And I would have kicked the extra point as well and not gone for two. what are the chances a kicker misses two in a row. Well I guess pretty good this night.

[97cats]

DZ,

we agree once again.

my only point to that is top level coaching can take an expectation thats being succeeded and capatalize on a rare opportunity and play and perform above that expectation. getting more out of what you have and seizing the moment....... if Arizona Football is just competing and playing to meet an expectation then im let down and bored already.

[PieceOfMeat]

Awes sorry I.missed.that.part. had to take a breathed for a.second and missed they over turned it!!!!!!! Thanks for setting me straight.

However in that case how was Stoops playing not to win. That is a gutsy ass call. And I would have kicked the extra point as well and not gone for two. what are the chances a kicker misses two in a row. Well I guess pretty good this night.

I didn't say he wasn't playing "to win" there.

I would state, however, that the play calling was absolutely atrocious on that series.

4 runs up the middle == fail.

[Olson Court]

You have obviously never talked to the players and how they feel about stoops. They are going to their third bowl and some of those guys were here early on and know the blood, sweat and tears that have been shead.

The poster EndofAnEra has spoken to many players and he has credibility around here and he says most of the players think Stoops is a jackass and a coach they dont want to play for.
Have YOU spoken to the players?

[tstein7240]

The question is... does anyone believe that Stoops' ceiling is higher than 8 wins?

[cat77]

I didn't say he wasn't playing "to win" there.

I would state, however, that the play calling was absolutely atrocious on that series.

4 runs up the middle == fail.
Not saying you said he was not coaching to win. I just have seen it a few times on the board from a few posters. And I agree not sure I would have gone for it there as well.

[97cats]

tstein,

if it isnt, and hes 8-0 next yr are you fine with him losing his last 4?

[azbbyes]

i go with coaching staff. two reasons, first z has shown that he is a very unreliable extra point kicker over a two year period. could bonnano really be worse? second the playcalling was horrible. 4th quarter 6 run plays for 8 yards? in the first ot, nick foles has a first and goal from the 5 yard line--what chance he doesn't get us in the end zone if he goes three pass plays in shotgun? close to 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PieceOfMeat]

coaching for me.

Z shouldn't have been on the field.

[NorCalCat]

The question is... does anyone believe that Stoops' ceiling is higher than 8 wins?

Nope

[LikesMikey]

nice find but with all due respect that was in July.

teams develop and have opportunities to rise above, imo, this yrs team had a chance to do that and for whatever reason (insert opinion) that didnt happen.

opportunity wasted opportunity lost.

average is something ive never warmed up to.



Insert opinion is injuries, bad breaks/calls, karma, scheduling and teams just being better than we are with players or coaches. We still need more quality depth at rb and other positions but we aren't that far away.

[KingJames3382]

I'm done with Stoops. He hired terrible coaches, doesn't seem to want to get a kicker or a punter, is a god awful end of game coach (squib with 35 seconds to go? why not call time outs for them too lol) and his teams routinely come out flat now, especially in big games. he needs to get Bob's level of talent if they are going to play so bad in big games

[97cats]

Insert opinion is injuries, bad breaks/calls, karma, scheduling and teams just being better than we are with players or coaches. We still need more quality depth at rb and other positions but we aren't that far away.

those sound like excuses to me.