We should've been in Pasadena right now...

[CalStateTempe]

I really thought we would've been there today.

Oh well, at least we won't see the CATS embarrassed by Wisconsin today.

(and yes, I understand that if we were actually good enough, we'd be in Fl instead of SoCal. Just sayin)

[Cats101]

:lol2: Oh boy. As long as Stoops is on the sideline threads like these shouldn't exist. Had to do it...

[CalStateTempe]

Why did I think we'd be in Pasadena? MojoJojo sums it up well in another thread.

I have to say that this team had the most speed, most size and most big play ability(Criner, Grigs, Antolin) of any Wildcat team I've watched in my young adult life, but for some reason they just could not show up for big games. And in some cases players got worse from one year to the next(Wade, Crier, Zendejas). How does this happen? Coaching...poor coaching. The talent of this team is great, but it still has to be properly prepared. I sometimes feel like Stoops is somewhere else mentally. As much as I would hate to start over with a coaching staff... I think really have to. We are going nowhere with Stoops.

I will be renewing my season tickets, but I need our AD to whats best for the future. do something now while the talent is still here. Don't do to the next coach what we did to Stoops and leave the the cubbard bare.

Add to that a favorable schedule, and relatively down Pac-10...You'll see tons of posts from other posters in Aug stating the same thing.

[MrBug708]

How would you have been at the Rose Bowl? PAC-10 wasn't getting three BCS teams

[CalStateTempe]

How would you have been at the Rose Bowl? PAC-10 wasn't getting three BCS teams

No kidding, I'm assuming a lot of things, like Stoops getting a Football IQ transplant and being able to out-game Kelly, Harbaugh, and heck even Erickson.

[tstein7240]

Would love for mods to control the personal attacks on posters.

Some of the Stoops Apologists Club Members love to throw out personal attacks instead of providing any supporting evidence that points to Stoops being a good long term solution.

[MrBug708]

No kidding, I'm assuming a lot of things, like Stoops getting a Football IQ transplant and being able to out-game Kelly, Harbaugh, and heck even Erickson.

Stanford and Oregon were too good this year to have been wishing for a Rose Bowl appearance

[CalStateTempe]

Stanford and Oregon were too good this year to have been wishing for a Rose Bowl appearance

In hindsight, absolutely correct...in August and September, we had every reason to believe that the CATS were going to hang with Furd and Oregon.

You know, kinda how UCLA thinks there winning a championship with Howland and then the tourney starts...

[azcat49]

Well Matt Brown made it (before we did) and he was almost a cat.

Question though, I know the Rose to take the non BCS qualifier, TCU. But what would have happened say if Oregon had two losses and Furd was our top team and #4 in the BCS. Would the Big 10 team get bounced?

[Cats101]

Would love for mods to control the personal attacks on posters.

Some of the Stoops Apologists Club Members love to throw out personal attacks instead of providing any supporting evidence that points to Stoops being a good long term solution.

When you support someone and they make you look bad, you tend to be defensive.

[MrBug708]

In hindsight, absolutely correct...in August and September, we had every reason to believe that the CATS were going to hang with Furd and Oregon.

You know, kinda how UCLA thinks there winning a championship with Howland and then the tourney starts...

What does UCLA basketball have to do with "Arizona should be in the Rose Bowl"? I'm assuming you are one of the posters who doesnt mind changing every thread to something about UCLA?

[MrBug708]

Well Matt Brown made it (before we did) and he was almost a cat.

Question though, I know the Rose to take the non BCS qualifier, TCU. But what would have happened say if Oregon had two losses and Furd was our top team and #4 in the BCS. Would the Big 10 team get bounced?

One auto for the PAC-10 and Stanford gets an at large bid. (Or vice versa)

[KingG]

Even if we had an 11 and 1, dream type season, with our only loss to Oregon, we still would have been cursed without a Rose Bowl bid. That would have been a huge waste, ala 98 all over again.

This simply was not going to be the year, no matter if we had won 4 more conferance games.

Sure, we would have had an easier off season, probably would have landed several additional recruits going into next season, but the expectations would have been HUGE for 2011. High expectations have not been met by our program in the past. I think it's better that we fly under the radar going into 2011.

[CalStateTempe]

When you support someone and they make you look bad, you tend to be defensive.

No, he's talking about azcoachB's first paragraph re: personal attacks.

Its a pity he's argumentative strategy is to resort to that. Its his choice to read or ignore threads...or posters for that matter.

[CalStateTempe]

Well Matt Brown made it (before we did) and he was almost a cat.

Question though, I know the Rose to take the non BCS qualifier, TCU. But what would have happened say if Oregon had two losses and Furd was our top team and #4 in the BCS. Would the Big 10 team get bounced?

Goodness, gracious no...A B1G Ten team bounced from the Roses? Never...

;)

[azcat49]

Since TCU was a qualifier they had to go to the Roses. I still am not clear though if In my example Furd was our top qualifier at #4 would todays game be Furd and TCU and Wisky would have been sent elsewhere?

And Coach, most know I am a staunch Stoops supporter, but I just can't find a way to defend our performance and preperation over the last part of the season, so IMO, let's the big dogs eat.

[MrBug708]

If Stanford wins the PAC-10 but had one loss, they are in the Rose Bowl and TCU is in the title game. Depending on where Oregon finished in the BCS rankings, they might have had another at large bid.

[CatFanInTexas]

Stoops sucks.

[azcat49]

Bug, thx and I get that. I am wondering though if TCU was #3, Furd #4 and Wisky #5 in the BCS, who in that scenario would oppose TCU in the Rose Bowl game.

I guess I'm asking because it seems its always the PAC 10 school that gets left out of the Roses when things like above go down

[the real dill]

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[MrBug708]

Bug, thx and I get that. I am wondering though if TCU was #3, Furd #4 and Wisky #5 in the BCS, who in that scenario would oppose TCU in the Rose Bowl game.

I guess I'm asking because it seems its always the PAC 10 school that gets left out of the Roses when things like above go down

In this scenario, one of the other conferences who had an appearance in the title game would lose their auto qualifier

[Katzenfreund]

Thanks to the mod for reminding us of the term "inappropriate". (http://www.pointguardu.com/f2/jim-storey-does-not-own-goazcats-com-52990/)

[scumdevils86]

I just got back from tailgating at the rose bowl with a group of tcu friends and I can't even imagine that atmosphere with Arizona fans. Out of control. Maybe before I die...

[cogent]

By the way, former Wildcat assistant AD Chris Del Conte is the head honcho at TCU. He used to come through the tailgate area all the time. I used to call him "Bag Man." haha.

The only way somebody with Wildcatness can get in the Rose Bowl is either buying a ticket or leaving for another university.

Also... don't stress on this. Accept mediocrity. Embrace it. Love it. Less stress that way. In fact, convince yourself mediocrity is really success! Study obscure statistics and quote them any time anybody says we aren't successful. That always works.

"But we're getting closer!" Is the battle cry. #2 is "GIVE HIM MORE TIME!"



I just got back from tailgating at the rose bowl with a group of tcu friends and I can't even imagine that atmosphere with Arizona fans. Out of control. Maybe before I die...

[tstein7240]

By the way, former Wildcat assistant AD Chris Del Conte is the head honcho at TCU. He used to come through the tailgate area all the time. I used to call him "Bag Man." haha.

The only way somebody with Wildcatness can get in the Rose Bowl is either buying a ticket or leaving for another university.

Also... don't stress on this. Accept mediocrity. Embrace it. Love it. Less stress that way. In fact, convince yourself mediocrity is really success! Study obscure statistics and quote them any time anybody says we aren't successful. That always works.

"But we're getting closer!" Is the battle cry. #2 is "GIVE HIM MORE TIME!"

Del Conte was on the news last night. Made the comment that "When I got here, the Chancellor told me that he expects greatness on and off the field, in all areas with this school...and that is the standard we strive for"

Here's my fingers being crossed that Shelton and Byrne's have placed expectations that Stoops is great.... and holds him accountable.

[Gladiator Cat]

Guy's what everyone should really be focusing in on at this point is the recruiting situation as we ponder the 5 game losing streak and the Feb LOI signing period coming up soon.

For the first time in a long-time we can say we have major position openings with only a handful of starters basically identified.

We have major, major playing time available for starting positions all across the board and we are struggling to even get player's to visit. The top players in Arizona won't even consider us as an option. Are you freaking serious.

1. The OL needs big-time help and we can't even get stud instate player's to give us a sniff. They won't drive 80 freaking mile's to visit our school. We have massive playing time to offer in a BCS conference and no dice.

2. The DE positions has huge playing time available for not just one, but two or three stud DE recruits and not a sniff from anyone of high regard. All we garner is a verbal from Reggie Gilbert out of Laveen, Az and a average JC DE who is wavering.

3. The incoming JC TE, he appears to be serviceable but who knows and Bacus needs more time to mature. We need more TE comp.

4. RB position needs a real and skilled feature back that can take the slot and make it his. Antolin and Nwoko are good role player's but just don't offer the explosiveness of an all PAC-10 RB. I know Jenkins and Butler are young but they still haven't been able to break the game-day depth chart even with injury problem's at that position. The wild-cards for the RB position next year may in fact lie with incoming recruit Jared Baker and possibly Kadeen Carey (50/50%), but they'll only be true freshmen. We need a really skilled and physical starter.

5. DL has hi quality young guys in the pipeline but we still have playing time avalible and no takers.

6. The LB positions need depth and now. This is one area we appear to have quality players coming in with Hanken's and Hobson, but how the **** did we lose Jabral Johnson to Oregon State of all schools. To put our recruiting issue's in perspective look no further than Sam Papa out of Phoenix. He has one....thats right, one offer from a school and that school is the UofA and he won't commit. Are you serious.

7. The DB's are young and good quality but we can always use play makers, and the WR's appear to be good. What we've been told is we have hi-quality guys and we use a big WR package every game so there is always avalible playing time. I give odds of 80/20 % that Criner will not walk, but sprint out of Tucson this off season. Criner I expect is gone.

8. In closing, the much discussed QB position. With both Foles and Scott gone after next year, a stud QB could be looking at a dream situation and playing time avalible but we once again we **** the bed with stud QB Matt Brown and now he's headed to TCU after decommiting. I know we have Daxx Garmen coming in but thats not enough anymore. Arizona needs big game playmakers

So we're looking at freshmen Cam Allerheiligen and Daxx Garmen as our replacements for Foles and Scott. It may work out but I have huge doubts.

This observation is not a ***** session about Stoops per sey, but a much more critical big picture assessment of what appears to be a very underwhelming recruiting class that is open for more defections.

In closing, Musberger and Herbstreet cannot express enough how well prepared TCU is today in the Rose Bowl. Now that is a well coached team.


I can only dream.

[Sage&Silver]

We should've been in Pasadena right now... I really thought we would've been there today.

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[Sage&Silver]

Well Matt Brown made it (before we did) and he was almost a cat.

Question though, I know the Rose to take the non BCS qualifier, TCU. But what would have happened say if Oregon had two losses and Furd was our top team and #4 in the BCS. Would the Big 10 team get bounced?

This is how, (I think it was Ivan Maisel) explained it:

From 2010-2012 (or 2013? whenever current BCS deal runs out), the Rose Bowl only had to invite a qualified non-AQ school if a Big10 or Pac10 spot were vacated.

(So a Pac10 champ #4 Furd would have played Wisc today, and the Fiesta Bowl, having last pick, likely would have taken TCU)

Had Oregon made the NC last season, it would have been tOSU and Boise State in the Rose Bowl, and Arizona would have been denied again anyway.
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[azcat49]

Del Conte was on the news last night. Made the comment that "When I got here, the Chancellor told me that he expects greatness on and off the field, in all areas with this school...and that is the standard we strive for"

Here's my fingers being crossed that Shelton and Byrne's have placed expectations that Stoops is great.... and holds him accountable.

Then that should include our facilities to recruit too, which are very substandard in comparison

[illcat]

Oh great a should have, could have, would have thread. Seasons over get over it. The Cats and Stoops blew it.

[tstein7240]

Then that should include our facilities to recruit too, which are very substandard in comparison

TCUs have been awful. Actually just demolished their stadium a couple weeks ago to start construction on a large part of it.

Patterson is an incredible coach who overcame bad facilities and getting 3rd tier Texas kids to win the Rose Bowl

[Class of 1990]

Would love for mods to control the personal attacks on posters.

Some of the Stoops Apologists Club Members love to throw out personal attacks instead of providing any supporting evidence that points to Stoops being a good long term solution.

From the Won't drop a Coin but Expects Greatness Club.

The reason is because our head coach sucks. He is not a head coach. He acts like a total jackass on the sidelines. He embarrasses all of us.

If you think differently, please leave and stop posting here. Stop being a douchebag loser.

Although last year that same poster wrote:

One thing I have noticed is how much Stoops has improved in interviews. He talks like a head coach now and you can tell he has a real command of this team. I can not wait for this game but I am proud of the fact our program has turned the corner and is back on the way up. It was a long road back, but we made it through having a plan and utilizing a lot of hard work to accomplish the goals of the plan.

Is this the leader of the Expects Greatness Club ?

[azbbyes]

darn, tcu just eliminated a number of well-worn excuses for stoops often used by the be happy with mediocrity crowd!

[Class of 1990]

darn, tcu just eliminated a number of well-worn excuses for stoops often used by the be happy with mediocrity crowd!

Really TCU did that ?

Seeing Boise State playing in a BCS Bowl should have done that years ago.

Right ?

Heck TCU last year was in a BCS bowl.

[NorCalCat]

TCUs have been awful. Actually just demolished their stadium a couple weeks ago to start construction on a large part of it.

Patterson is an incredible coach who overcame bad facilities and getting 3rd tier Texas kids to win the Rose Bowl

It's amazing what a small group of determined boosters from the DFW area can do after catching a truckload of crap from their buddies in the boardroom.

Probably not, but we have seen this Cinderella story down there before.

[azcat49]

TCU and BSU never would have done what they have done in a BCS conference (starting out). There schedule allowed them to post gaudy records while only having to get up for 2-3 games a year. Now they have there programs rolling and can compete in any capacity

Other then the ASSU game, Stoops beat everyone he should have and lost to those he should have. I put the USC game as a toss up.

Like many, I'm fine if Byrne wants to make a change, but I just don't know who your going to get that can raise this program from good to great consistently

[Cats101]

TCU and BSU never would have done what they have done in a BCS conference. There schedule allowed them to post guady records while only having to get up for 2-3 games a year.

Other then the ASSU game, Stoops beat everyone he should have and lost to those he should have. I put the USC game as a toss up.

Like many, I'm fine if Byrne wants to make a change, but I just don't know who your going to get that can raise this program from good to great consistently

According to RPI, TCU schedule was tougher than Oregon's.

[Class of 1990]

According to RPI, TCU schedule was tougher than Oregon's.

True but Tenn turned to crap (mostly likely wasn't when the game was booked) which may explain a lot of that RPI ranking add to the fact that the Pac 10 only put 4 teams in bowls this year.

Take away a very close game at Cal and a close game at ASU - Oregon beat the crap out everyone pretty much on their schedule.

[tstein7240]

It's amazing what a small group of determined boosters from the DFW area can do after catching a truckload of crap from their buddies in the boardroom.

Probably not, but we have seen this Cinderella story down there before.

What the TCU booster did was pony up (SMU pun intended) to pay Patterson enough money to make sure he stays and they keep one of the best coaches in football. Additionally, there are rumors that Patterson has been given the luxury of some "low risk, low cost investments in some high reward oil and natural gas leases" :)

As far as recruting shenanigans... no Eric Dickerson and Craig James on their roster. Winning with 2 and 3 star kids who didn't get offers from UT, OU, etc.

In fact, the "prize" of their 2009 class was a 4* QB named Matt Brown. Hopefully (for many reasons) he was not the type of kid swayed by the $...or we may have some issues too.

[Cats101]

True but Tenn turned to crap (mostly likely wasn't when the game was booked) which may explain a lot of that RPI ranking add to the fact that the Pac 10 only put 4 teams in bowls this year.

Take away a very close game at Cal and a close game at ASU - Oregon beat the crap out everyone pretty much on their schedule.

I don't remember reading that while looking at the RPI. I remember seeing that outside of Stanford, Oregon's schedule was crap, so to down TCU schedule when Oregon played a bunch of average teams as well isn't fair. I'm not saying TCU should be in over Oregon, just saying that their schedules are comparable.

[What I See]

darn, tcu just eliminated a number of well-worn excuses for stoops often used by the be happy with mediocrity crowd!

Technically it took Patterson 12 years to get to the Rose Bowl. Looks like Stoops has a few more years :erickbud:

[tstein7240]

Technically it took Patterson 12 years to get to the Rose Bowl. Looks like Stoops has a few more years :erickbud:

Actually, he has coached at TCU for 10 seasons... and in 7 of those they have won ten or more games.

9 of 10 seasons he's gone to a bowl game and have been to two straight BCS games. Of the 9 bowl games he's won 6 of them.

Want to bet that Stoops doesn't have a similar bowl record the next 7 years (starting Stoops career at his first bowl to avoid any Mack excuse)

[azcat49]

According to RPI, TCU schedule was tougher than Oregon's.

What I was implying is that those schools would never ascend to there current state if they had to start in a BCS conference because there records would have been much different.

Now because of that success they can play with anyone, especially on those 2-3 Saturdays when they step up in competition

[Class of 1990]

Actually, he has coached at TCU for 10 seasons... and in 7 of those they have won ten or more games.

9 of 10 seasons he's gone to a bowl game and have been to two straight BCS games. Of the 9 bowl games he's won 6 of them.

Want to bet that Stoops doesn't have a similar bowl record the next 7 years (starting Stoops career at his first bowl to avoid any Mack excuse)

True about the facts of TCU's bowl record but it has been pointed out TCU was in CUSA 2001-2005 and then the Mt West.

Dallas/FtW has big $$$ and those boosters and alumni obviously made a commitment to spend them to upgrade their football program.

It was easy for them to put this into play while playing in Non BCS conferences.

If we want the U of A to become of home of excellence expectations then start a booster fund and have at it. Most cases of Universities that expect excellence in football have deep pockets from alumni/boosters/fans.

The SEC has poor states but those *insert joke if you must* people give their money to those schools.
Miss State paying their coach over 2M with current extension ?

Can the U of A hit that level ?
Sure, but it starts with a donation ............ any takers ?

[cogent]

The first alums I can think of with deep pockets and have sports connections are the former athletes. Besides Richard Jefferson's generosity, any others want to pony up?

Sadly, lots of people with money now are pretty pissed off and are likely to hold off writing a check. And, season ticket sales are likely to take a huge dump this fall.

[Class of 1990]

The first alums I can think of with deep pockets and have sports connections are the former athletes. Besides Richard Jefferson's generosity, any others want to pony up?

Sadly, lots of people with money now are pretty pissed off and are likely to hold off writing a check. And, season ticket sales are likely to take a huge dump this fall.

So they are pissed off and ACCEPTING mediocrity ?

What What ???

If you want expectations excellence don't you have to give ?

So here is the excuse for those expecting excellence.

"I'm pissed off and I won't write a check."

Moving on ....

Yep I expect season tickets to be down.
5 game losing streak and a weaker (odd year) home schedule.

I'm curious to see how Bryne markets the Cats.
Discounts ?
A better fan experience before and during the game ?
There are a lot of changes that this board has mentioned to improve game day.

I'm thinking not all of the 55,000 plus that went to the games this season are die hard football fans.

[cogent]

Yes on the pissed off and not giving. People don't give when they are upset; they give when they are happy. Beat Assu + win a bowl = happy, then $$$$

[tstein7240]

True about the facts of TCU's bowl record but it has been pointed out TCU was in CUSA 2001-2005 and then the Mt West.

Dallas/FtW has big $$$ and those boosters and alumni obviously made a commitment to spend them to upgrade their football program.

It was easy for them to put this into play while playing in Non BCS conferences.

If we want the U of A to become of home of excellence expectations then start a booster fund and have at it. Most cases of Universities that expect excellence in football have deep pockets from alumni/boosters/fans.

The SEC has poor states but those *insert joke if you must* people give their money to those schools.
Miss State paying their coach over 2M with current extension ?

Can the U of A hit that level ?
Sure, but it starts with a donation ............ any takers ?

I have given money to the program - at a level I can afford.

I guarentee you... Arizona has more big dollar alums than TCU has in total numbers. And many more who are influential in the sports world (beyond Artie, Johnson and Sarver, did you know that an NBA owner had 2 sons graduate from Arizona in the early 90's - both were big sports fans in their own right...and Livengood never reached out to them??? But one did joke to me that they got a cold call from a student fundraiser once)

And while DFW has money... You realize that the majority of big dollar boosters at major universitys do NOT come from people living in the college town. In Dallas, the two "biggest college sports boosters" I know are boosters for Nebraska and believe it or not, Miami. Not TCU, not SMU, not UT, not A&M, not Tech.

From a simplistic POV... who's list of notable alums is more impressive here... (just look at the "business" area since they are the common boosters)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Arizona_people#Business
Arizona
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Christian_University#Alumni
TCU

Yes, simplistic view... but with the size of each graduating class and this small sample of the "elite"... it is reasonable to assume we have as many qualified alums that our Athletic Department should be tapping into.

[Class of 1990]

Yes on the pissed off and not giving. People don't give when they are upset; they give when they are happy. Beat Assu + win a bowl = happy, then $$$$

But they are happy when we (they whatever) are winning.

So people with expectations of excellence are front runners ?

Sad.

[cogent]

Pretty normal behavior, I'd say. Especially given the history of how things play out at Arizona. Maybe it will be different; maybe not. Lots of people will take a wait and see. Don't blame them

[Class of 1990]

tstein7240 you base that list on people (the business) who obviously don't care about the state of football at the University of Arizona.

when you say they never got a call fund raising wise wasn't your boy from TCU our fund raising guru under Livengood ?

Why should a basketball player give for a perceived football issue ?


What about the people like you who give ?

How many from the school that carries an enrollment of 35,000+ a year give towards athletics ?

[cogent]

Chris was indeed our "Bag Man." I liked him but I heard internally he was known as a #$%$ Again, I judge based on how a person treats me and he was always accommodating and very nice.

[Class of 1990]

Another thing to consider here is the funding of the expansion of the stadium.

We got 10M from that couple and I'm assuming the rest will come from other high dollar alum/business associates.

So when they want expectations of excellence I expect it to happen then, meanwhile we as the lower level $$$ fans buy our season tickets and hope and pray (http://forum.goazcats.com/showpost.php?p=1520002&postcount=58) that Arizona will win a Pac <s>10</s> 12 title.

[tstein7240]

tstein7240 you base that list on people (the business) who obviously don't care about the state of football at the University of Arizona.?
So - we have rich people... just ones who don't care about football.


Why should a basketball player give for a perceived football issue ?
?
Said sons of an NBA OWNER... not a player were never called. Regardless, they were never called for basketball, softball, lacrosse, field hockey or any other sport (when I use the term Livengood in this case, assume his athletic department as he was the boss and this families name would talk to the boss)

What about the people like you who give
?
I do give...

With that, my assumption is Arizona "should" have the same percentage of alums donating to the athletic department as a TCU. In reality, even a higher percentage as until next season TCU was a midmajor who typically struggle at fundraising compared to major conf schools.

If Arizona has a similar % of the alumni base giving, the total revenue should be much higher as our student body size is more than 3x as large.

More alums + similar % of donors = more revenue

[BlueMikey]

TCU and BSU never would have done what they have done in a BCS conference (starting out). There schedule allowed them to post gaudy records while only having to get up for 2-3 games a year. Now they have there programs rolling and can compete in any capacity.

Someone hasn't watched a TCU game. Best defense in the country, AQ or not.

Other then the ASSU game, Stoops beat everyone he should have and lost to those he should have. I put the USC game as a toss up.

Oregon State?

[tstein7240]

Oregon State?

So, you are saying that Stoops lost THREE games he should have won
Oregon State
USC
Tempe Normal

[Class of 1990]

I do give...

With that, my assumption is Arizona "should" have the same percentage of alums donating to the athletic department as a TCU. In reality, even a higher percentage as until next season TCU was a midmajor who typically struggle at fundraising compared to major conf schools.

If Arizona has a similar % of the alumni base giving, the total revenue should be much higher as our student body size is more than 3x as large.

More alums + similar % of donors = more revenue

So you went to a school that Alums don't feel like the football program should have expectations of excellence.

You just made that clear above.

What can you do ?

Gripe about it continuously ?

Again I am thankful that Miller was hired as the basketball coach because if a Ben Lindsey type was hired instead I'm thinking bridge jumping would be occurring daily.

[azcat49]

Someone hasn't watched a TCU game. Best defense in the country, AQ or not.



Oregon State?

BM, once again I was speaking to the arc of there program and not to this year. TCU no doubt is one of the best and could have competed in any of the conferences, but I was implying they got to this point due to there prior success that largely was due to the fact they were not in a BCS conference

[tstein7240]

So you went to a school that Alums don't feel like the football program should have expectations of excellence.

You just made that clear above.

What can you do ?

Gripe about it continuously ?

Again I am thankful that Miller was hired as the basketball coach because if a Ben Lindsey type was hired instead I'm thinking bridge jumping would be occurring daily.

That's why I love Byrne do stuff to make people care (from interacting with them personally on facebook to putting billboards up around the entire state of Arizona... and even in San Antonio). Some people think that stuff doesn't matter... but if people don't care...make them.

One point though..in general, people donate smaller gifts to the athletic department. Not a specific team. Shouldn't matter if we aren't a "football school" in that sense because we sure as heck are a basketball school.

On the other hand... I will continue to "gripe" about our program. I want Byrne to be embarassed about it. I want Arte to be embarassed. I want them to know there are passionate fans who are not happy with mediocrity.

If Byrne go to bed thinking "well, we are a basketball school and nobody cares about football"... Do you think he is going to bust his ass even harder to make sure the program is better?

Honestly - this program needs more people who understand the potential and will complain until the powers that be do everything possible to be great

[BlueMikey]

So, you are saying that Stoops lost THREE games he should have won
Oregon State
USC
Tempe Normal

Eh, I think he was right in saying that USC was a toss-up (although, since it was a home game, the edge should fall to Arizona), but yes, we should have beaten OSU and ASU, and we should have lost to Oregon and Stanford.

I think all the games we won, we should have won.

[Class of 1990]

I'm cool with your griping. ;)

I just don't like to be called out (well they can and I can mock I guess) because I support Arizona football no matter who is the coach.

I think the future of Arizona football is brighter it is just there are more trees in this forest before the clearing.

Someday in the future you will come to one of Regal Beagle get togethers.

Maybe that day will be on Jan 1st.

[tstein7240]

I just don't like to be called out (well they can and I can mock I guess) because I support Arizona football no matter who is the coach.
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Try sitting in the Alamo Bowl... in neither the OSU or Arizona section...Getting to hear football fans who don't give a crap about either team ragging on Stoops at the end of the first half.

Then sitting back and realizing that his emotions got the best of him again and he will never grow out of it.

(FYI...next time I go to a game in Tucson... will definitely hook up. But if it is a game on Jan 1... i am in the stands wherever...not in the Regal Beagle :) )

[Class of 1990]

Try sitting in the Alamo Bowl... in neither the OSU or Arizona section...Getting to hear football fans who don't give a crap about either team ragging on Stoops at the end of the first half.

Then sitting back and realizing that his emotions got the best of him again and he will never grow out of it.

(FYI...next time I go to a game in Tucson... will definitely hook up. But if it is a game on Jan 1... i am in the stands wherever...not in the Regal Beagle :) )

Man you must not have sat through the Mack years.

BTW we would make the regal beagle meet up in the parking lot on Jan 1st.

[Chicat]

Is your signature big enough?

[Class of 1990]

Is your signature big enough?

You could turn it off settings wise of course but thanks for adding to the topic.

[77HoyaCat4Ever]

Is your signature big enough?

Huh. Just noticed that. I am so ingrained reading from left to right that I never got passed the first box.

Happy New Year Cats fans everywhere!

[Class of 1990]

Huh. Just noticed that. I am so ingrained reading from left to right that I never got passed the first box.

Happy New Year Cats fans everywhere!

I'll remove the bear throw for ya.

[azcat49]

Eh, I think he was right in saying that USC was a toss-up (although, since it was a home game, the edge should fall to Arizona), but yes, we should have beaten OSU and ASU, and we should have lost to Oregon and Stanford.

I think all the games we won, we should have won.

Yep I forgot the OSU game and we should have won that, but I probably would have put Iowa at the time on the other side of the ledger.

So we lost two we should have won and won one we probably shouldn't have with one toss up game we frittered away.

Lots to be disappointed in for sure. It will be an interesting off season.

[BlueMikey]

You could turn it off settings wise of course but thanks for adding to the topic.

You have to turn off every single signature. The only person's I ever want to turn off is yours.

[Class of 1990]

You have to turn off every single signature. The only person's I ever want to turn off is yours.

Just block me then.

Whining about this crap during a interesting discussion about the state of Arizona football.

Yawn.