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brianphx
05-24-2004, 12:00 PM
Hope you guys are proud of your team. They "won" the game on Sunday. I guess the umps did not want to stay in Sucton any longer than they had to either. Too bad it may have cost ASU the game.

From azcentral.com:


Loss, umps anger ASU


Rarely used 4-hour rule invoked to cut game short

Jeff Metcalfe
The Arizona Republic
May. 24, 2004 12:00 AM


TUCSON - Three trips to the mound in the first inning were only a warm-up Sunday for Pat Murphy.

The Arizona State baseball coach wore out a path from the third base dugout at Sancet Stadium, escorting eight pitchers in and out of a 13-7 loss to Arizona.

To make matters worse, home plate umpire Mark Beller, as if embarrassed by a horrible call from third base umpire Dwayne Finley to end an ASU rally in the eighth, called the game under a rarely invoked four-hour rule. No inning in a Pac-10 series finale is allowed to start after four hours from the start of the game, although Dan Pedersen, Pac-10 coordinator of baseball officiating, later told an ASU official that the rule does not apply to traditional rivalries where the visitors are traveling by bus.

"It's safe to say he missed that one," Murphy said of Finley calling Joe Persichina out at second on a force when he clearly appeared to slide in safely under second baseman John Hardy. "It's not close."

Television replays indicated that Persichina was safe.

Finley's call prevented a fifth run from scoring in the seventh and left the bases loaded with Travis Buck, already with three hits, coming up.

UA, (28-23-1, 10-11 Pac-10), desperate for a win to keep its NCAA Tournament hopes alive, put six on the board in the first in ending a seven-game rivalry losing streak. John Meloan (7-0) gave up just three runs in 6 1/3 innings and the Wildcats built their lead to 13-3 with a five-run seventh.

Brett Bordes (3-1) was charged with all the first-inning runs, allowing four walks and three singles, two on the first pitch. He re-emerged in the bullpen in the second for a side session supervised by Murphy.

"Bordes is good about every other time, and that's not good enough," Murphy said. "We'll continue to tinker with it and work with Bordes. Maybe there is a better role for him, but we've certainly got to have somebody better out of that role. Maybe we'll go with a two-man rotation."

No. 13 ASU (39-14, 12-9) found no way to save Bordes as its 11-game winning streak screeched to an end.

The other seven pitchers were only marginally better than Bordes, leaving Murphy still scratching his head over who should be his third starter.

Jeff Larish was a bright spot for ASU, which left 15 runners on base. He slugged home runs to right and center and was inches away from a third that Derek Decater took away at the top of the wall at 400 feet in the deepest part of the park.

Chris Bonney
05-24-2004, 12:17 PM
So an ump possibly misses a call so Murphy *****es out like a friggin whiney little girl and takes his team, who was still getting their heads kicked in, off the field and calls the game due to the 4 hour travel day rule. Murphy is a little whiney *****, the biggest one in a looooon time.

Murphy is such a *****.

brianphx
05-24-2004, 01:13 PM
The umps called the game, not Murphy. If you would actually have read the article, you would have seen this:

To make matters worse, home plate umpire Mark Beller, as if embarrassed by a horrible call from third base umpire Dwayne Finley to end an ASU rally in the eighth, called the game under a rarely invoked four-hour rule.

There is no way that ASU would have called the game.

I hope you like the fact that the only reason you beat ASU this season was because the umps called the game. ASU may not have come all the way back, but who knows? Hope that the game was handed to you (and you did not earn it) makes you proud.

Oh yeah, and if it weren't for one of the worst calls I have seen in a long time, ASU would have been down 13-8 with the bases loaded and two of our hottest hitters up. Luckily for you that call was made, or it could have been tied before you got up to bat. Too bad for HORRIBLE calls.

Chris Bonney
05-24-2004, 05:51 PM
See, it threw me when it said rarely invoked rule. It has been invoked on us 3 times this year now. The writer makes it sound as if it is an unassisted triple play or something. It happens every weekend.

No matter who called the game, ya lost and you were going to lose whether he was called safe or out or the game continued. You still had 6 runs to make up to a team you had not stopped from hitting all day and you had three outs in which to do it. Possible, yes, but not very plausible. Take your 2 of 3 with the legit ass kickin ya got yesterday and go play the Furd.

Friggin whiney little *****es.

brianphx
05-24-2004, 07:22 PM
Well, let's see.... If the proper call was made, the score would have been 13-8 with the bases loaded. Travis Buck (3-5 on the day, 16 game hitting streak, 13-21 on the week) was up next. Then, Jeff Larish (3-4 on the day, 2 (almost 3) homeruns) would have been up. If the next at bats were like the rest of the day, one would expect Buck and Larish to get hits. If that happened, who knows what the score would have been going into the 9th. So, you are right who knows what would have happened.... I only know that I like our chances a lot better than yours if the correct call had been made.

And, by the way... Arizona did not stop ASU from hitting either (since we had 17 hits). Arizona just got walked more which lead to more runs.

So, take your unearned win and be happy with it. I know that I will be happy knowing that we have won 80% (16 of 20) of the games since 2000!

Ben Hansen
05-24-2004, 07:22 PM
Moron,

ASU was trailing by six runs in the EIGHTH INNING. You were losing no matter what.

Morgan
05-24-2004, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Ben Hansen
Moron,

ASU was trailing by six runs in the EIGHTH INNING. You were losing no matter what.

Ben when is the last time UA won a series against ASU in baseball?

I'll help you, 1999.

Ben Hansen
05-24-2004, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by Morgan
Ben when is the last time UA won a series against ASU in baseball?

I'll help you, 1999.

You didn't wait for my answer, which was, of course, who cares?

brianphx
05-24-2004, 07:35 PM
Stanford scored 6 in the 9th vs. you guys. You scored 6 in the 1st vs. ASU and 6 in the 5th vs Stanford. You hung 8 on Washington in the 6th, and Baylor hung 6 on you in the 5th. 6 runs in an inning can and obviously does happen.

If the proper call had been made, and the game had continued (like it should have per Dan Pederson), it would have been a 5 run game with TBuck and Larish up to bat.... The comeback sounds pretty plausible to me.

And, hopefully, by showing you that 6 runs can and do happen in an inning, you will understand where I am coming from. (By the way, that would not have been a 6 run inning... It was set up to be much larger than that).

Crackem
05-24-2004, 07:36 PM
Only an ASU fan can call an 8 inning game an unearned win. The game is officail after the 5th. That's the rules. Same thing if it had been raining. Get a grip- you won 2 of 3. Whinny little beotches like you give the 8 decent ASU fans a bad name.

brianphx
05-24-2004, 07:37 PM
who cares?

Oviously you do, or you would not have wasted a minute of your pathetic life with a response.... Oh wait, you do have a pathetic life and maybe you would waste your time dealing with something you don't care about....

brianphx
05-24-2004, 07:38 PM
Only an ASU fan can call an 8 inning game an unearned win. The game is officail after the 5th. That's the rules. Same thing if it had been raining. Get a grip- you won 2 of 3. Whinny little beotches like you give the 8 decent ASU fans a bad name.

By the rules, it was a "complete" game. By those same rules, it should not have ended in the 8th. And yes, it should have and I like to believe, would have been a sweep if the umps knew what they were doing on the diamond.

Ben Hansen
05-24-2004, 10:45 PM
Typical ASU fan. *****ing all the way home about something completely inconsequential.

We're pretty sure you still won two out of three, but no matter what you say, the likelihood of scoring six runs in the last two innings just isn't very high. Of course it COULD happen, hell, ASU even beat UA in basketball once (gasp!). Miracles happen all the time.

As it is, your baseball team just got smoked by Arizona. It's official, it counts and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Read the rules jackass. They were simply followed.

Get back to your homework, kid.

brianphx
05-24-2004, 11:14 PM
READ THE RULES??? From the Coordinator of Baseball Officiating, Dan Pederson: "the rule (referring to the 4 hour rule) does not apply to traditional rivalries where the visitors are traveling by bus."

The game should not be over, the Daily Star and the Republic say the 3rd out was a BS call. Take your token win, believe that you won it fairly, and be happy with the fact that you beat ASU 20% of the time.

Perhaps you should take more fiber. Perhaps being regular would help you get rid of all those crappy ideas about that being a properly officiated game.

Morgan
05-25-2004, 11:08 AM
Brian is right Ben, the Umps blew the call. ASU probably doesn't win the game. But the Umps blew it.

stewbacka
05-25-2004, 12:47 PM
Any time I read a UA fan write typical ASU fan, I think well typical UofA labeling all of us because ONE guy wrote something at your site. Its sad when the guy that runs this site has this same attitude. Makes me apprieciate SoCal even more. Why do you care? You got the game. I don't understand why you think only ASU fans complain about stuff that is not important. You guys killed us in hoops in Tempe and seemed to have a few fans talking about how the fans reacted to it. Even if the ASU fans acted badly, which they did and I and others ripped them for. Is it really that important what a bunch of yahoos in the stands scream? We need to get some Harvard socialogist to study this maybe then both sides would see how childish they act. Some of you people put the DNC/GOP to shame.

Irish27
05-25-2004, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Ben Hansen
Typical ASU fan. *****ing all the way home about something completely inconsequential.

We're pretty sure you still won two out of three, but no matter what you say, the likelihood of scoring six runs in the last two innings just isn't very high. Of course it COULD happen, hell, ASU even beat UA in basketball once (gasp!). Miracles happen all the time.

As it is, your baseball team just got smoked by Arizona. It's official, it counts and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Read the rules jackass. They were simply followed.

Get back to your homework, kid.

Ben, you forgot the UofA still had to bat in the 8th and they were hitting all the asu pitchers hard. They could of scored four or more runs in the 8th, just like they did in the previous inning and the lead could of been double digits.

As for asu fans, baseball is all they have left. Their two major sports teams suck and baseball is all they have left. What I love about their fans is they have been whining all year about firing Murphy and if they don't make it to Omaha this year there will be cries of fire Murphy.

stewbacka
05-25-2004, 09:35 PM
Why would you have football over ASU? As bEn has basically said you need to win some games before making that leap. Even if DK falls this year ASU could bring in some young hot shot and our past 5 years would still be better.

Irish27
05-25-2004, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by stewbacka
Why would you have football over ASU? As bEn has basically said you need to win some games before making that leap. Even if DK falls this year ASU could bring in some young hot shot and our past 5 years would still be better.

Wasn't DK that supposedly young hot shot?:confused:

stewbacka
05-25-2004, 10:57 PM
Thank you for making my point exactly for me. Win before you make that claim. Sad when the people running this site are the ones name calling and making generalizations. You would think with the lauding that SoCal gets from you guys that this site would be run in a similar manner.

Irish27
05-25-2004, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by stewbacka
Thank you for making my point exactly for me. Win before you make that claim. Sad when the people running this site are the ones name calling and making generalizations. You would think with the lauding that SoCal gets from you guys that this site would be run in a similar manner.

I think people here respect SoCalDevil more than any asu fan but when he posted before the UofA/asu Pac-10 tournament game a few years ago by saying that asu had closed the gap and predicted a win over the Wildcats, of course the fans here are going to voice their opinions to him. As we all know the UofA won by double-digits but proclaiming the gap had closed between the two programs was not too wise. He knows a lot about college basketball but I think his emotions got the best of him that day and now he'll probably live with it for the rest of his life, or until asu wins a national title in basketball.

stewbacka
05-26-2004, 02:47 AM
You can't close a gap like that in one game.

brianphx
05-26-2004, 11:42 AM
Ben, you forgot the UofA still had to bat in the 8th and they were hitting all the asu pitchers hard. They could of scored four or more runs in the 8th, just like they did in the previous inning and the lead could of been double digits.

Score by Innings R H E
-----------------------------------------------
Arizona State.....101 000 14 - 7 17 0
Arizona............. 602 000 5X - 13 14 0

Or it could have been like 4 of the 7 innings and U of A would not have scored..... As I see it, ASU had been hitting the ball all day, U of A got walked more. That was the difference in the game. I wish we could have found out how it would have ended. But, like I said earlier I will take a win in 80% these games since 2000.

Crackem
05-27-2004, 07:00 PM
Dude, are you still *****ing about this?!? Its one freakin' college baseball game that only 20% of the students and alumni at either school know anything or care about. Why don't you spend your energy going to an ASU basbeball site and talking about the upcoming series with the Tree and a shot at the Pac-10 championship instead of acting like a sore loser on an Arizona site about the one freakin' game you lost.

stewbacka
05-28-2004, 06:07 PM
I agree with that. I just find it unfortunate the labeling that is allowed to take place here.