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killervibe
10-12-2004, 03:13 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/10/12/jackson/index.html?cnn=yes

Needless to say, this does not cast Kobe in the greatest light.

budd1e_lee
10-12-2004, 04:01 PM
I hate Kobe, always have, but some of this stuff is more than I even thought he was capable of being.

Merkin
10-12-2004, 04:58 PM
Sure can't see what Bruss sees in Kobe.

The only reason I ever watch the Lakers is too see Luke. I was hoping they would trade for Iggy as someone talked about, but didn't happen.

Ben Hansen
10-12-2004, 06:47 PM
Kobe's an a s s hole. Period. Complaining about the plane the Lakers paid for him to fly back and forth to Rape Trial, Colorado??? What a primadonna piece of ****. I think he's a tremendous player but I hate him now.

Shaq is the man and I'm all over his side when these two teams meet. I hope Shaq eats him alive.

Taylor
10-12-2004, 06:48 PM
He gave his press conference at Staples with our blessing, and we have agreed -- once we attained permission from the league to make sure the funds wouldn't be applied to the salary cap -- to cover a percentage of his private plane expenses to and from Colorado for court hearings. This will cost thousands of dollars. Kobe was unhappy with the type of plane that was selected; he wanted one with higher status.

Wow, what a whinney little *****!

budd1e_lee
10-12-2004, 06:53 PM
am I the only one that is planning to purchase this book? I know alot of people think Phil is a hack but I for one think he is nothing short of a genious and one hell of a manipulator/psychologist his manipulation fell apart when kobe started with the bold face lies

Officer Craig
10-13-2004, 01:31 PM
alot of you guys were all over Kobe's d1ck before this all happened i'm sure. "Kobe's great!" Kobe is such a good guy and player!" "go Kobe"

jumpin' on the bandwagon...

Embrodak
10-13-2004, 01:31 PM
am I the only one that is planning to purchase this book? I know alot of people think Phil is a hack but I for one think he is nothing short of a genious and one hell of a manipulator/psychologist his manipulation fell apart when kobe started with the bold face lies


and he went to high school in north dakota!

budd1e_lee
10-13-2004, 01:58 PM
north dakota is not a good place, I can attest to that, but Phil is still one interesting man, and the Lakers are the soap opera that was the NBA last year, who wouldnt want to read that

PointGuardU03
10-13-2004, 05:00 PM
despite being a vastly overrated coach deserves better then that sh*t head Kobe. To use his own words, Kobe "kiss my penis."

HiCat
10-13-2004, 06:24 PM
The article only confirms that Kobe's an ego maniac that acted as a cancer with last years Laker team. This fact was highlighted during the Piston playoffs when he kept insisting that they were going to beat Detroit. He gave no respect to the Pistons even after LA had been whipped in 2-3 games. Jackson's a great coach and Shaq's is probably the greatest big man to play.. They could have won many more rings. But For Kobe acting like prima donna guard, this was the death knell for them. As for management, Kupcake is no Jerry West, nor will he ever be. He'll go down in Laker history as the schmuck that broke up the Championship Lakers. Though his criminal charges were dropped, Kobe must be a great disappointment to his parents. He'll never get it cause he won't admit that he's a punk in spite of all his bucks.

GlobalCat
10-13-2004, 06:28 PM
That book is sweet revenge... wow...

Zona Dave
10-13-2004, 06:39 PM
Now do you think Kobe raped that girl??

Either way the guy is a Prick! I'd like to reiterate what Ben said.... I hope Shaq eats him alive.

HiCat
10-13-2004, 08:45 PM
Even though Kobe's a jerk and a p....k, my view is that it wasn't rape. Without detailing facts that most of us read about, she put herself in a situation and knew that "he was going to make a move on me". There appears to have been consent at some point, she seems to have a problem with drugs and a need for mental health treatment. She did not immediately cry rape... she had plans to do a similar thing to another celebrity, she seems to need attention.. etc.. etc.. etc....

Kobe is an idiot for putting himself in a situation like this. Wonder when his wife is going to leave. Mega bucks when she does..

Auercat
10-13-2004, 10:26 PM
I don't think any more or less of Kobe after reading the excerpts. I do think less of Phil Jackson for putting this in a book. After all, I thought Phil was about Zen, love, peace and contentment. Obviously he's about other things: revenge, money and the last word. Congrats to him!

Bearing Down on Everyone Already Knowing Kobe Is An Egomaniac, Just Like Shaq, Phil and Every Other Pampered Personality In Today's NBA

Auercat

Bison79
10-14-2004, 09:33 AM
was not mature enough for the NBA, I dislike (strongly) kids who bolt to the NBA after High School, even though they might need the money.

The entire NBA is a soap opera, Kobe-Shaq-Phil love fest is just a plot twist to keep us all "addicted" to it.

HiCat
10-14-2004, 09:55 AM
Kobe had a tremendous amount of Bball skills when he came out. But his social skills reflected how this was all going to unfold. Zero attempts to be a team member. Yes, he was younger, but he did not even try to be a part of the team.. Even his marriage was a strange event... Loosing the support of his parents along the way. It's his life he reasoned. He's an example of what we get when we cater to younger players for their athletic skills, without ensuring his development in how to be a stand up person. Character rating for him.. zero.

The odd thing is that he learned how to do interviews and say the right things in front of the camera.. But that's only a sound bite. Character building is the hard stuff. It's the stuff that makes you who you are.. and he's shown us who he is...

Merkin
10-14-2004, 11:20 AM
Even though Kobe's a jerk and a p....k

prick?
punk?

****?
**********?

budd1e_lee
10-14-2004, 02:11 PM
prick?
punk?

****?
**********?

e.) ALL of the above

SnowCat
10-14-2004, 05:03 PM
Getting ridiculous;

Now we get Shaq's comments about Phil's comments about Kobe's actions and comments about not letting Shaq get away with making comments about him, while not listening to Phil's earlier comments about letting minor comments slide and being a team player. Any comments?

>>>Instead, O'Neal offered his views on excerpts released to Sports Illustrated and Los Angeles magazine from the soon-to-be-published Phil Jackson book, The Last Season: A Team in Search of Its Soul......

"I'll just wait until Phil's book comes out, and then you guys will know the truth," O'Neal said. "But just keep in mind that everything I've said over the years has been true. When it all adds together ... I'll just sit back and laugh as I read it and say, `I told you so.'''.......

O'Neal confessed Wednesday: "A lot of stuff like that may go on. But I was taught how to use psychological warfare by the best psychologist, Phil Jackson. He was a great guy, and a lot of stuff that went on between me and [Jackson] was orchestrated by me and him to take pressure off of other people [Bryant].".......

..O'Neal said: "I'm a strong-willed guy, but when it comes down to it, respect factor and order factor, I know the pecking order. [Jackson] says something sometimes. Sometimes I disagree, but you always have to listen to the boss until you're your own boss.

"When I'm general manager and coach, I ain't listening to nobody."

O'Neal's not worried about the book, saying: "I'm sure he won't have that much bad to say about me. But if he does have some bad stuff to say about me, I'll be a man and own up to them. And that's why I'm a great guy. Because I'm real. When I mess up, I mess up, and I say I mess up."<<<

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-heatnote14oct14,0,4779881.story?coll=sfla-sports-heat

SnowCat
10-14-2004, 11:49 PM
Ray Allen enters the fray;

PORTLAND -- Ray Allen was suited up for the Sonics' preseason game against the Trail Blazers last night. He just wasn't in uniform, instead watching in a sports jacket as he sat out the game.

Allen suffered from a migraine headache and gastrointestinal disorder.

Because of the illness, Allen wasn't around to answer questions after the Sonics beat the Lakers 87-80 on Tuesday, but he was asked for a day-after assessment of Kobe Bryant's performance in his first game after Shaquille O'Neal was traded and coach Phil Jackson retired.

"He's going to be very selfish," Allen said of Bryant, who scored 15 of his team's first 20 points and had 35 points in Tuesday's loss. "And he feels like he needs to show this league and the people in this country that he is better without Shaq. He can win championships without Shaq. So offensively, he's going to jump out and say, 'I can average 30 points. I can still carry the load on this team.'

"I think the point production is not going to be so much what people are going to look at because (Tracy) McGrady did it in Orlando, Allen (Iverson) did it in Philly. Can you win a championship? I think that's the question. Carrying guys on your back and making everybody better."

Can Bryant do that?

"He has the talent, he can do it," Allen said. "But is his attitude going to allow him to take a back seat and let Lamar Odom shine and let Caron Butler have his nights and bring those big guys along with him?"

Allen said Bryant's ability and willingness to incorporate others will be the gauge for the Lakers' success. Bryant was re-signed for seven years at more than $130 million this summer.

"If Kobe doesn't see he needs two and a half good players to be a legitimate playoff contender or win a championship in about a year or two he'll be calling out to Jerry Buss that 'We need some help in here,' or 'Trade me,' " Allen said. "And we'll all be saying, 'I told you so,' when he says that."

Butler, who like Allen attended UConn, is in his third year in the league.

"His successes now is going to be based on if Kobe allows him to eat," Allen said of Butler. "If Kobe allows him to sit at the dinner table with him."

Allen was asked about the personal part of his game against Bryant. At different times, Bryant bumped into Allen and talked trash. After blocking a fast-break layin attempt by Allen, Bryant stared down at Allen, who had fallen to the floor, allowing Luke Ridnour to grab the loose ball and pass to Rashard Lewis for a dunk.

"I think he talks because he feels like he has to talk," Allen said. "He's out there playing, and if he does something good I feel like he needs to pat himself on the back because to me, it seems like he's isolated out there. As much as it's five-on-five, I don't see much camaraderie going on out there with his teammates."

Allen and Bryant were drafted the same year, 1996. Allen said that's one reason he thinks Bryant tries to turn any head-to-head meeting into a one-on-one battle. Bryant scored 15 of his team's 20 points in the first quarter and finished with 35. Allen scored 18 of his team-high 25 points in the second half.

"He thinks -- in his mind -- that he's going to shoot and try to show me up at any point in time on the floor," Allen said. "But his mentality and mine are different. I've got to do what it takes to help the team win."

One exchange captured what Allen was talking about. In the third quarter, Bryant made a 3-pointer over Allen and on Seattle's ensuing possession Allen made a 3-pointer over Bryant. Bryant answered with a 3-pointer, bumped into Allen at halfcourt and started talking.

"It was typical of the way he approaches the game and the way I approach it," Allen said. "I know it was set up for me to take that shot, no matter what situation I was in because that's what he did. And I wasn't going to fall into that trap because we were winning and he put himself in the situation where he has to come from behind."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/basketball/195189_sonx14.html

Merkin
10-14-2004, 11:53 PM
Sweet avatar Mtz, and good post. Ray Allen is a pretty smart dude. Now why can't Kobe see it the way he does?

SnowCat
10-14-2004, 11:57 PM
Sweet avatar Mtz, and good post. Ray Allen is a pretty smart dude. Now why can't Kobe see it the way he does?

Finally decided it was time for an avatar. Guess being house-nurse for a few days has been boring at times.

HiCat
10-15-2004, 09:18 AM
This is the difference. Allen is a team player, Kobe is not. Lakers will have a hard time winning 50 games this year with that attitude. Allen's comments hit the nail on the head, " He's going to be very selfish".. that's K's essence. Not about "we" but always about "me". After the Lakers were humiliated in the playoffs, the super egos have been spinning their views about why it happened. All indications point to the source of the problem as Kobe. The bs will continue because it's online therapy..