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Josh Gershon
10-16-2004, 11:48 PM
Which QB should be the starter against Cal?

BibbysTowelDude
10-16-2004, 11:57 PM
I voted Kris since he is likely to be blown out in this poll.

I do expect him to start again before the season is over.

WildcatPaulG
10-17-2004, 12:05 AM
I do expect him to start again before the season is over.

If we keep winning and they start Kovalchek, I guaruantee that Heavner won't start again for the rest of the year.

willacat
10-17-2004, 12:07 AM
If we keep winning and they start Kovalchek, I guaruantee that Heavner won't start again for the rest of the year.

If we win some games with Kovalchek, especially next week's game, Heavner might not start again in his CAREER.

Staf4Wooden
10-17-2004, 12:15 AM
My avatar answers the question.

Morgan
10-17-2004, 12:16 AM
which bar does Kovalcheck's dad own? I voted for him FWIW.

Josh Gershon
10-17-2004, 12:50 AM
The Pennant... it's on Mission.

Class of 1990
10-17-2004, 12:56 AM
Costa ?
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Morgan
10-17-2004, 01:31 AM
The Pennant... it's on Mission.

thanks, I was at Canes on the boardwalk watching games and wasn't sure if it was his.

AZCatFANatic
10-17-2004, 01:40 AM
Kovalcheck should start.
....then if that doesn't work we should put in O'Hara, and then if he falters we should put in Costa.....oh wait they are no longer on the team. Kris and Richard are our only scholorship QB's. OK then hand the ball over to Ortege Jenkins.

argaen
10-17-2004, 01:43 AM
Heavner should start. But I don't see any reason why they can't alternate each series so Richard can prove from the opening quarter on that he's the #1.

UofAcat23
10-17-2004, 01:49 AM
Heavner seems to be the better QB in practice, but practice doesn't matter. Let Richard show what he can do in the actual game.

Chris Bonney
10-17-2004, 02:32 AM
No matter what happened today, Kris is still the best UA has and he will not lose his starting spot.

BlueMikey
10-17-2004, 02:35 AM
I'd still like to see Heavner still starting, but I wouldn't mind seeing a quick hook if he can't pass next week.

HiCat
10-17-2004, 10:03 AM
Seems like Kovalcheck handles pressure well. (from what I've read) It also seems like given half a chance he's got the arm to find the right receivers. If he can move the team to score twice in the short minutes that he played, it shows something very positive. Maybe the coach will give him a shot. However, you have to wonder if starting against Cal is the best test for Kovalcheck... will it be a fair to evaluate his performance after playing against the no. 8 team in the nation? Maybe...

illcat
10-17-2004, 10:46 AM
The season is pretty much a bust right now. So I don't see any harm in starting Kovalcheck just to see if this was a fluke or the real deal. UofACat23 said that Heavner is good in practice, but obviously something happens in game situations.
Just my opinion

Auercat
10-17-2004, 12:03 PM
The Cats are 1-5. It's time for a change. :(

Bearing Down on Ben Olson PLEASE!!!!!!!

Auercat

Goose
10-17-2004, 12:29 PM
The Cats are 1-5. It's time for a change. :(

Bearing Down on Ben Olson PLEASE!!!!!!!

Auercat

Agreed, bring on Olson and Tuitama FAST.

Footballjunkie
10-17-2004, 01:16 PM
Agreed, bring on Olson and Tuitama FAST.
Don't forget I'm Tyler Canales's pimp.
You dissed another QB who could lead the UofA out of the mess that its in.

Not putting TC in with Olsen and Tuitama means that you don't know the difference between a man and two capricious girlie men. Put him in the mix with your two girlie men and you'll see who ends up pregnant! :fur:

Tyler gets props from Colorado, Nebraska, BYU (QB Univ.),Ohio State, Cal, Oregon, Stanford (QB Univ#2), and Utah. :p

Why can't the coaches at Arizona acknowledge that he is the man and give him an offer?

Merkin
10-17-2004, 01:18 PM
Pop's comments from today's ADS:

Had not UA freshman quarterback Richard Kovalcheck rallied Arizona for two touchdowns in the game's final five minutes Saturday, the Wildcats would be dead last - No. 117 of 117 - in NCAA Division I-A scoring.

As it is, the Wildcats are No. 116, at 14.0 points per game, leading only Mississippi State (12.5). Brutal.

A year ago, the UA was No. 113 at 15.1 per game. Awful.

Even if it was garbage time on Saturday, Kovalcheck made something happen for an offensive team that has been inept for two years. That's why the Wildcat coaching staff has no sensible option but to give Kovalcheck more on-the-job training against Cal, and see what he can do over 60 minutes.

This is not yet a meaningless season for the Wildcats - not with beatable Washington, Oregon State and Arizona State remaining. The most important thing now is to get a full evaluation of another QB to determine if Kovalcheck can produce what Arizona lacks most - points.

Embrodak
10-17-2004, 01:38 PM
how do I pick Michael Vick? :/

Jumbos
10-17-2004, 05:33 PM
Junkie,
I thought I read we told Tuitama he would be the only schol QB in his class. I watched the game on tape this morning and I dont feel good about either one of them. Heavner to his credit seems to realize his lack of talent and looks for the safe play. Koval... made a touchdown pass that Heavner would not have but was inacurate as well on many others, in fact on his first pass I didnt realize they made the switch, it was almost picked off and I thought bring in Kov, unfortunately he was alredy in.

Stoopstrooper
10-17-2004, 05:49 PM
SLW, don't we have to win before we can 'keep winning'?

Ben Hansen
10-17-2004, 05:49 PM
I think they should pull a freshman-year Chuck Levy. Just put the best tailback/playmaker in at QB and let him option everything. That makes Mike Bell the best option behind center and then have Gil Harris and Chris Henry as his split backs.

I'm all for it. The running game is solid. The passing game is god-awful.

WildcatPaulG
10-17-2004, 06:15 PM
True, Ted D.... so true...

Footballjunkie, you have this immense hard on for Canales. The kid is good, but he is certainly not the best in Utah. Is he better than what we have? Yes, most likely. Is he better than Olson or Tuitama? No.

Don't believe me... see Joel Hancock out of Fremont... he's first in passing yards, followed by Lark down at Pine View and Alex Cate at Cottonwood. Canales ranks fourth in the state. As for passing TD's, Hancock is first with 31, Cate is second with 25, and Canales is third with 15. If I had to choose which QB was the best in the state, I would pick Hancock easily.

WallyNoche
10-17-2004, 10:25 PM
Salt Lake Wildcat Quote...
True, Ted D.... so true...
Footballjunkie, you have this immense hard on for Canales. The kid is good, but he is certainly not the best in Utah. Is he better than what we have? Yes, most likely. Is he better than Olson or Tuitama? No.

Don't believe me... see Joel Hancock out of Fremont... he's first in passing yards, followed by Lark down at Pine View and Alex Cate at Cottonwood. Canales ranks fourth in the state. As for passing TD's, Hancock is first with 31, Cate is second with 25, and Canales is third with 15. If I had to choose which QB was the best in the state, I would pick Hancock easily.

Salt Lake...I am not pimping anyone, however stats may not tell the story...

This is the Utah HS Power Ranking as of 10/15...take a look...

The Block's Power Rankings - Football

(AS OF: 10/15/2004)

Joel Hancock's team is ranked 5th in the 5A division 6-2 record

Lark's team is ranked 2nd in the 3A division 7-1 record

Alex Cate's team isn't even ranked

Canales's team is ranked 2nd in the 5A division 7-1 record

Give me Ws over stats any day...

ZONACAT
10-17-2004, 10:30 PM
That's not how recruiting works Wally, you take the better player.....Not the player who is on the better team.

muffley
10-17-2004, 11:09 PM
Why is this even being considered? Heavner sucks. And he knows it. Heavner was the first one to congratulate Kovalcheck after the first TD.

WallyNoche
10-18-2004, 12:02 AM
ZONACAT Quote...
That's not how recruiting works Wally, you take the better player.....Not the player who is on the better team.

ZONA...Thanks for telling me how it works...but...

Actually, aside from the normal GPA, drop back time, arm strength, 40 time...etc...wins as a starter is a major factor in recruiting HS QBs. A QB that has demonstrated great stats but however competes at a 2A level will not be considered over a QB that has good stats and competes at a 5A level.

There have been exceptions but recruiting isn't about stats or the better player as you put it...the evaluations are much more complex and detailed than just TDs & YPG.

WildcatPaulG
10-18-2004, 12:05 AM
Salt Lake...I am not pimping anyone, however stats may not tell the story... This is the Utah HS Power Ranking as of 10/15...take a look...The Block's Power Rankings - Football. Joel Hancock's team is ranked 5th in the 5A division 6-2 record. Lark's team is ranked 2nd in the 3A division 7-1 record. Alex Cate's team isn't even ranked. Canales's team is ranked 2nd in the 5A division 7-1 record. Give me Ws over stats any day...

Wally, just curious... how did you come across The Block's website? Glad to see someone is using our power rankings for the state. I'm the executive producer for the show, so I'm good to see that someone outside the state is referencing it.

It doesn't hurt that Hancock has the best two receivers in the state (Higley and Raught). Canales' receivers aren't as good as those two.

Speaking of Canales, BYU has "unofficially" dropped off his list.

Embrodak
10-18-2004, 12:14 AM
Wally, just curious... how did you come across The Block's website? Glad to see someone is using our power rankings for the state. I'm the executive producer for the show, so I'm good to see that someone outside the state is referencing it.

It doesn't hurt that Hancock has the best two receivers in the state (Higley and Raught). Canales' receivers aren't as good as those two.

Speaking of Canales, BYU has "unofficially" dropped off his list.


is this kid related to u of a's oc or is this just a coincidence?

WildcatPaulG
10-18-2004, 12:19 AM
is this kid related to u of a's oc or is this just a coincidence?

It's just a coincidence that they share the same last name and he happened to QB at Utah State...

That's his son...

WallyNoche
10-18-2004, 12:30 AM
Salt Lake Quote...
Wally, just curious... how did you come across The Block's website? Glad to see someone is using our power rankings for the state. I'm the executive producer for the show, so I'm good to see that someone outside the state is referencing it.

Salt Lake...was just surfing the net to get some fact based data before I posted...You do a great job with the website!

IMO...either way Tuitama is the long term future and Olsen could potentially be the short term future...

Goose
10-18-2004, 12:36 AM
Salt Lake...was just surfing the net to get some fact based data before I posted...You do a great job with the website!

IMO...either way Tuitama is the long term future and Olsen could potentially be the short term future...

Wally, very astute... I would love to see Olson start next season and redshirt Tuitama.... then bring in Willie for the long term after Olson goes 1st round to the NFL.

I think Heavner has made some great strides under Canales, but it would take a leap to the moon to fix a few of his deficiencies. Same probably goes for Richard, but at least he showed us something, albeit against the Ducks 2nd string and relaxed D.

WallyNoche
10-18-2004, 01:04 AM
Goose Quote...
I think Heavner has made some great strides under Canales, but it would take a leap to the moon to fix a few of his deficiencies. Same probably goes for Richard, but at least he showed us something, albeit against the Ducks 2nd string and relaxed D.

Goose...You're right on the mark!

IMO...Heavner has good physical skills and fair mental skills...let me clairfy...

I think where Heavner struggles is in the progression of steps from reading the D at the line of scrimmage...to checking to the secondary receiver when the primary is covered...to calling the appropiate audible when the situation calls for it.

A good example is: I was watching the game last night at 11:00pm...it was a tape delay on the YES Channel...the first drive of the game UofA drove the ball down to the 2 yard line of Oregon...4th & goal...Heavner threw into double coverage and was picked...Mike Bell had single coverage and was open...Heavner has to recognize this...he spends hours viewing film on the opponents D.

Not knocking Heavner...I know he is trying his best...but the mental processing is not something you can begin to learn your second year as a starter in college...you can improve but these skills are/should be evaluated in the recruiting process.

I'll cheer for whomever is under center...let's just get a win soon...