Too much Duke, let's talk UCLA recruiting...

[TheCat]

Well Guys,

I opened the Orange County Register last night and they had two pictures off UCLA recruit Mike Roll. I am going to be the first to predict that this guy will be more hated than Don McClean (or whatever his name was, not the American Pie singer). This guy seems like a real piece of work. One picture was showing him all geeked up with the caption of "Intensity". This guy will be fun to hate for the next 4 years. I believe me there is no chance he wont be there for four years............now back to our current hated JJ

[Ziggiles]

Maybe he gets Jesus really pissed off and YAKKA! we got a renewed rivalry and a real ass whooping of a bruin.

[DavidImmel]

Howland really got a steal with Roll.

I've been saying this for about a year now, but if you guys think Roll will be hated, wait until Taylor King gets to Westwood. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Wildcat fans will hate him as much as any UCLA player since MacLean.

[the goat]

I'm glad to see Ucla getting quality players. Better to see the left coast get better then just feed the Acc and Big east.

[barringer97]

Howland really got a steal with Roll.

I've been saying this for about a year now, but if you guys think Roll will be hated, wait until Taylor King gets to Westwood. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Wildcat fans will hate him as much as any UCLA player since MacLean.

Not if he goes to Arizona...


His commitment to UCLA was verbal, which means other teams and coaches will continue to hover around him, unofficially, of course, trying hard not to look like a bunch of NCAA vultures.

Lute Olson was at Mater Dei's practice the other day. Taylor admits he likes Arizona, North Carolina, Syracuse, Connecticut and a handful of other schools.

"What we're doing," his dad said, "is keeping our options open in case something happens."

http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/02/24/sections/sports/sports/article_419196.php

[DavidImmel]

Not if he goes to Arizona...


His commitment to UCLA was verbal, which means other teams and coaches will continue to hover around him, unofficially, of course, trying hard not to look like a bunch of NCAA vultures.

Lute Olson was at Mater Dei's practice the other day. Taylor admits he likes Arizona, North Carolina, Syracuse, Connecticut and a handful of other schools.

"What we're doing," his dad said, "is keeping our options open in case something happens."

http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/02/24/sections/sports/sports/article_419196.php
:roll: Hold your breath, Barringer.

[barringer97]

Hold your breath, Barringer.


Trust me, I'm not...you shouldn't either.

[TheCat]

This is the second comment in a month in the Register that had King waffeling......Mike Roll will be more hated because he has the attitude and not the skill. Mike Roll was not a steal in any sense of the word. Your serve DI.

[Flipper]

This is the second comment in a month in the Register that had King waffeling......Mike Roll will be more hated because he has the attitude and not the skill. Mike Roll was not a steal in any sense of the word. Your serve DI.

Why should Roll be hated? He's not the MickeyD and all the hype that Redick got before he got to Duke? Same thing with McLean, who was another MickeyD.

He wasn't heavily recruited, and UCLA pried him off UCSB. Its actually a testament to Howland's recruiting/evaluating skills, offering a kid that the "elite" schools didn't even bother looking at.

I'd really be shocked if Roll makes it to the "most hated" list, at least at the start. If he blows up, and becomes a bonafide star for the Bruins, then by all means, let him have it. Why would you guys waste your vitriol on a non-skilled kid, who won't play if he doesn't have the skills? Save it for the loudmouth stars who'll get the PT (like McLean).

Nice to see that Howland is recruiting out of the box, and not just off AAU/recruiting gurus lists. Wait till he actually shows up at UCLA before deciding whether he's a steal or not. He's really blown up during the current season. It looks like the local talent evaluators are coming around, and giving props to Howland for coming after the kid.

[DavidImmel]

This is the second comment in a month in the Register that had King waffeling......Mike Roll will be more hated because he has the attitude and not the skill. Mike Roll was not a steal in any sense of the word. Your serve DI.
Roll will be fine. He was recruited to be the 10th guy in a 10 man rotation, but he's played very well this year, improving in nearly every area. He's going to be a very nice complimentary part for Howland in the years to come, and he may even end up starting later on in his career.

[TheCat]

It is not talent that gets you hated, it is attitude and Roll has it in spades. Not sure if you saw the pictures in the register yesterday but they were wierd enough that I took a second look. Especially the one where he is in his teamates face (not yelling or anything bad). The guy I think is avg. like 17 pts and not the toughest league either.

He will not be a star or a steal.....maybe use him to bug opponents like K used that midget.

[DavidImmel]

It is not talent that gets you hated, it is attitude and Roll has it in spades. Not sure if you saw the pictures in the register yesterday but they were wierd enough that I took a second look. Especially the one where he is in his teamates face (not yelling or anything bad). The guy I think is avg. like 17 pts and not the toughest league either.

He will not be a star or a steal.....maybe use him to bug opponents like K used that midget.
You obviously are misinformed. He led Orange County in scoring with over 26 a game, and that included a 33 and 12 board performance heads up with Budinger.

[MrBug708]

This is the second comment in a month in the Register that had King waffeling......Mike Roll will be more hated because he has the attitude and not the skill. Mike Roll was not a steal in any sense of the word. Your serve DI.

I'm not worried about Taylor King. He'll either be setting foot on UCLA or going to the show.

As for Roll, he was a steal and will be UCLA's best shooter next year. He might not be athletic enough, but you guys can have your top 100 lists, I'll trust Howland over you.

DI has it right...

[TheCat]

I am only quoting what I saw in the Register yesterday.......King is leading in scoring.....I think. I will double check.....maybe they said he was scoring that in league play.......I'll check their HS section on Saturday.

[Flipper]

It is not talent that gets you hated, it is attitude and Roll has it in spades. Not sure if you saw the pictures in the register yesterday but they were wierd enough that I took a second look. Especially the one where he is in his teamates face (not yelling or anything bad). The guy I think is avg. like 17 pts and not the toughest league either.

He will not be a star or a steal.....maybe use him to bug opponents like K used that midget.

FYI- There are a lot of people advocating that the Bruins pass on Budinger and save the scholly for the '07 class (to complement TKing) due to the fact that Roll might be a good enough fit for UCLA. They're not bagging on Budinger, just questioning why go after Chase when they already have Afflalo/Shipp, then Roll/Luc Whatshisname.

I'm not one of those. If Howland wants him, and he's already offered, then I'm all for it. Besides, UCLA's got to keep him away from Lute, right? :wink2:

At the end of the day, you don't need a roster full of stars. You also need the piano movers to go along with the piano players, borrowing a phrase from the great Oscar Scmidt, the Mad Bomber from Brazil.

[Flipper]

I am only quoting what I saw in the Register yesterday.......King is leading in scoring.....I think. I will double check.....maybe they said he was scoring that in league play.......I'll check their HS section on Saturday.

I'm pretty sure King's leading the OC in scoring, with Roll right behind him, or thereabouts.

[barringer97]

http://www.ocvarsity.com/highschool/basketball/leaderboards/index.cfm?sportid=4

Name School GP pts avg fg
Taylor King Mater Dei 28 702 25 0 180 0 0 97 0 0 116 0 309 46 59 30
Michael Roll Aliso Niguel 28 687 24 257 127 49 67 30 44 70 52 74 185 120 80 9
Blake Wallace Servite 26 543 20 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 189 0 0 66
Blaine Templeton Dana Hills 28 533 19 278 187 67 21 10 47 77 61 79 168 34 13 6
Carlos Pinto Estancia 25 525 21 0 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
David Richmond Garden Grove 25 521 20 244 136 55 49 8 16 135 87 64 143 59 23 47
Mike Gerrity Mater Dei 28 518 18 0 170 0 0 21 0 0 115 0 95 149 81 5
Orlando Isais Century 29 516 17 370 168 45 143 42 29 115 83 72 92 38 72 8
Matt Goodloe Western 26 486 18 444 182 40 119 30 25 130 85 65 161 66 0 0
Ray Magee Valencia 27 471 17 213 117 54 37 27 72 125 90 72 180 51 45 20
Jesse Maldonado Liberty Christian 24 470 19 0 39 0 0 51 0 0 0 0 192 45 35 17
Matt Loper Sage Hill 23 469 20 314 166 52 16 3 18 156 90 57 147 53 30 8
James Keefe Santa Margarita 26 460 17 246 130 52 23 5 21 137 93 67 265 31 13 79
Dan Selway Northwood 26 459 17 0 81 0 0 5 0 0 64 0 53 43 25 0
Scott MacRae Capistrano Valley Christian 26 459 17 14 24 171 8 19 237 18 13 72 31 15 16 1

[Josh Gershon]

UCLA fans should be a little more concerned about King than they are. That's all I'm saying. Him going to UCLA is far from a done deal at this point.

[Bobby Boucher]

Personally, I hope that UCLA gets all the top recruits they are going after. Unless, of course, it's between AZ and UCLA. When UCLA becomes a top 25 powerhouse again, and AZ, UW, and Stanford are all playing well and nationally ranked (or close to it) the Pac-19 will be a strong basketball conference again. We need that to regain the respect we've lost over the last few years. Too many early tourney exits and not enough Final 4's.

I'd rather see any Pac-10 team get a 4 or 5 star recruit than having the kid go East.

[NewportCat]

I already hate Michael Roll

And I have heard he is a good shooter but not Pac-Ten Material

[11Banners]

If King doesn't come to UCLA, we'll be fine. There are a lot of quality wings in that class, while we're piling up PF's as well.

In regards to Roll, I've seen the kid play and if you do'nt think he's a "Pac-10" level player, you simply haven't watched him play a game this season. Greg Hicks says his play has elevated him to the #1 SG on the West Coast by his standards fwiw.

[CEinAZ]

Roll will be owned by this guy anyways :)















FENDIESEL OWNS YOU!

[NOVABruin]

If King doesn't come to UCLA, we'll be fine. There are a lot of quality wings in that class, while we're piling up PF's as well.

In regards to Roll, I've seen the kid play and if you do'nt think he's a "Pac-10" level player, you simply haven't watched him play a game this season. Greg Hicks says his play has elevated him to the #1 SG on the West Coast by his standards fwiw.


Exactly. GH has Roll as the number 1 SG in the West for 2005 and has said that he's a top-50 caliber player. I don't think he'll have any problem with Fendi Whatshisname.

[ByJoveByJingle]

I've heard all this crap before. As I said before the season started . . . prove something on the court and then come back and talk to me. In the meantime, try some humility. Everything isn't necessarily part of the Grand Pubah's plan--shocking to think, I know.

[Auercat]

The opinions of Greg Hicks, Michael A. Miller and their kind mean zero to me. By their collective words Cedric Bozeman and Andre Patterson were better than any of the UA's 2001 recruits. And they argued that Michael Fey was ten times the player Channing Frye was and had much more upside. WRONG. :)

Bearing Down on Hicks Being An Intolerable UCLA Homer, And Raving About Every UCLA Recruit (Other Than Ryan Walcott) To No End

Auercat

[Taylor]

I've heard all this crap before. As I said before the season started . . . prove something on the court and then come back and talk to me. In the meantime, try some humility. Everything isn't necessarily part of the Grand Pubah's plan--shocking to think, I know.

What does Pi Phi have to do with it?

[11Banners]

The opinions of Greg Hicks, Michael A. Miller and their kind mean zero to me. By their collective words Cedric Bozeman and Andre Patterson were better than any of the UA's 2001 recruits. And they argued that Michael Fey was ten times the player Channing Frye was and had much more upside. WRONG. :)

Bearing Down on Hicks Being An Intolerable UCLA Homer, And Raving About Every UCLA Recruit (Other Than Ryan Walcott) To No End

Auercat

ROFL, That's why he listed Farmar as the best 2nd best PG in the state, while also listing Shipp as the 5th or 6th best SF in the West? What a homer he is...

[DavidImmel]

Roll was just named Orange County POY over King and Keefe.

Tracy Pierson, who is a really bright guy with very good credentials, has said that he'll be starting over Josh Shipp by the end of next year.

[Auercat]

Pierson also claimed the following:

1. That Cedric Bozeman was going to be an All American while at UCLA.
2. Andre Patterson would be an All Pac Ten Caliber player
3. Michael Fey was a far better prospect than Channing Frye

And so on, and so on, and so on...:rolleyes:

Bearing Down on Nobody Knowing How Good These Kids Will Be Until They Actually Take The Court At This Level

Auercat

PS Tracy is also writing for a UCLA consituency, so hence his evalutations are going to lean in a direction that is positive towards UCLA. Other than Ryan Walcott, I've yet to see a Bruin recruit that he hasn't praised up one side and down another. Many of the UA fansites have also had a rep for doing the same exact thing. Much like Wildcat fans should reserve judgement on future players until they see them on the floor (not in an AAU or HS game, but in a real college game), UCLA fans should probably do the same.

[DavidImmel]

Perhaps you're confusing him with Hicks. Hicks is brusk and dense, but Pierson has shown an aptitude for being able to have a better perspective. The best example of this would be that he had Quentin Thomas rated ahead of Jordan Farmar last year as the best PG in the west. While this was clearly incorrect, at least he showed he isn't necessarily biased towards the Bruins.

[Auercat]

Immel,

I know the difference between the two. Hicks is definitely far more of a homer than Pierson, but that doesn't mean that Tracy also doesn't wear blue and gold goggles.

Bearing Down on Every Recruiting Analyst Making Good Calls and Bad Ones Too

Auercat

PS For the record, it was Hicks, not Pierson, who called Ryan Walcott and Josiah Johnson a couple of wastes of scholarships.

[Morgan]

I've seen Mike Roll play and Travis Hanour was a much better prospect coming out of High School. They both came from the same area and Hanour was better in every area at this time except strength. Hanour would have had a good career at SDSU if not for injuries and could have contributed at UA but for mental stuff.

[11Banners]

Well Auer, it's probably because you never read Pierson since his posts are on the premium board. The guy disparaged Lavin to death with some Bruin fans wanting to sue him for hurting the program at one point. He took down Lavin offers such as Walcott, Josiah Johnson, Jon Crispin, and others.

In regards to Mike Roll, Frank Burlison says he is a top 50 national player as well.

[11Banners]

Immel,

I know the difference between the two. Hicks is definitely far more of a homer than Pierson, but that doesn't mean that Tracy also doesn't wear blue and gold goggles.

Bearing Down on Every Recruiting Analyst Making Good Calls and Bad Ones Too

Auercat

PS For the record, it was Hicks, not Pierson, who called Ryan Walcott and Josiah Johnson a couple of wastes of scholarships.

Again Auer, Hicks rated Farmar below Thomas who went to UNC when everyone in the city, including the UCLA faithful were on him for it. Then he put Josh Shipp as the #5 or 6 SF in the entire West that year, when he was averaging 32 pts per game and leading his team to the state championship. Moreover, Hicks attacked Lavin's recruits so much that he alienated himself from many Bruin fans at hte time who felt Lavin was right (idiot Lavinistas).

And again, in regards to Mike Roll, ask Frank Burlison what he thinks about him.

[ByJoveByJingle]

Who cares? Just like every recruit that attends UCLA (and every other damn place), they'll have plenty of opportunity to prove themselves on the floor. And at UCLA, they'll have more opportunity sooner than at most schools. I would think by now you guys would be a little leery about recruiting hype?

[NOVABruin]

The reason most Bruin fans are so optimistic about our incoming recruits is because we've seen these kids with our own eyes, not because of Hicks or Pierson's evaluations. I personally saw Roll destroy Budinger in their head-to-head matchup in San Diego in December. Roll is legit. Based on video footage on BRO, Collison and Mbahamoute appear to be way underrated as well. The other two guys look super athletic but raw.

Roll and Moute are way ahead of where Shipp and Afflalo were last year skillwise and athletically. I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them as starters by the end of next season.

[barringer97]

I know Taylor King is extremely one dimensional and would drive KO nuts on the bench, but man, he would be a welcomed addition to our team.

Dude can fill it...

[gumby]

The important thing is that Roll has replaced Josh Shipp, as predicted. :rolleyes:

Man, what a funny thread. King is now at Duke. And all of that bluster about such mediocre guys -- Roll, Jesus, Fendi. Roll isn't good enough to hate.

Hey, but people saw them with "their own eyes!" :)

[barringer97]

and King is actually fun to watch (unlike those other Dukies not named Singler)...

[gumby]

Like Lance Thomas? He's good for two buckets and two boards a game. Remember when he was The Answer for us?

[azpatnca]

Personally, I hope that UCLA gets all the top recruits they are going after. Unless, of course, it's between AZ and UCLA. When UCLA becomes a top 25 powerhouse again, and AZ, UW, and Stanford are all playing well and nationally ranked (or close to it) the Pac-19 will be a strong basketball conference again. We need that to regain the respect we've lost over the last few years. Too many early tourney exits and not enough Final 4's.

I'd rather see any Pac-10 team get a 4 or 5 star recruit than having the kid go East.

Ok, I think UCLA is a top 25 team.

[bruins01]

and King is actually fun to watch (unlike those other Dukies not named Singler)...

God, I hate watching Taylor King play. He takes too many shots outside the offense, he has zero mobility, and he doesn't have any clue how to play defense.

[Reydituto]

Thankfully there's more to basketball than defense ...

[Winger]

Thankfully there's more to basketball than defense ...

Not in Westwood ...

[barringer97]

God, I hate watching Taylor King play. He takes too many shots outside the offense, he has zero mobility, and he doesn't have any clue how to play defense.

Man, Ucla fans have really turned into hoop snobs...Booo!

[Josh Gershon]

Too much UCLA, let's talk Duke...

[Itamicbomb]

Too much UCLA, let's talk Duke...

I'm fine with the current distribution of hate spat at each team on this board, thanks. :)

[MrBug708]

At least we know when Thecat's obsession started :)

[TheCat]

The important thing is that Roll has replaced Josh Shipp, as predicted. :rolleyes:

Man, what a funny thread. King is now at Duke. And all of that bluster about such mediocre guys -- Roll, Jesus, Fendi. Roll isn't good enough to hate.

Hey, but people saw them with "their own eyes!" :)


But he destroyed Chase......I just checked his stats and I could not believe them or bare to even post them. He has been injured alot but something happened to him before that. He IS a good shooter that just could not hit anything including free throws. Must have lost his confidence.

I thought U of A fans would hate him because of his on the court demeanor in HS. Yes I saw him with my own eyes and if you look back I was not that impressed.

[Flipper]

Man, Ucla fans have really turned into hoop snobs...Booo!

Ha ha ha.

It took awhile to get out from under the Lavin years, but yeah, we have our swagger back.:lol2:

[Morgan]

I stand by my Hanour/Roll opinion. Hanour couldn't stay healthy but was a much better player than Roll.

[MrBug708]

Not in Westwood ...

Are you high? UCLA put up 81 vs WSU, who was a top 5 defensive team in the nation

[Intermezzo]

Not in Westwood ...

UCLA has scored an average of 74 points/game so far in conference. Wanna know what Arizona has averaged?