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WilmasPimp
05-03-2005, 11:21 PM
I read some very interesting information on the UH (http://mb12.scout.com/fhawaiifrm1.showMessage?topicID=15305.topic) board. (I'm not sure if this originated there or they lifted it from somewhere esle.)

Amazingly, over half of the players taken in the recent NFL draft were UNRANKED by Rivals coming out of HS. Gives me some hope that we may have enough hidden talent to make some noise this season.

2005 NFL Draft
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Round 1 Player POS Team College Rivals
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1 Alex Smith QB 49ers Utah Not Ranked
2 Ronnie Brown RB Dolphins Auburn # 14 RB (2000)
3 Braylon Edwards WR Browns Michigan # 49 WR (2001)
4 Cedric Benson RB Bears Texas # 6 RB (2001)
5 Carnell Williams RB Bucs Auburn # 5 RB (2001)
6 Adam Jones CB Titans W Virginia Not Ranked
7 Troy Williamson WR Vikings S Carolina # 27 WR (2002)
8 Antrel Rolle CB Cardinals Miami # 4 CB (2001)
9 Carlos Rogers CB Redskins Auburn Not Ranked
10 Mike Williams WR Lions USC # 23 WR (2002)
11 Demarcus Ware DE Cowboys Troy St Not Ranked
12 Shawne Merriman LB Chargers Maryland # 11 WDE (2002)
13 Jammal Brown OT Saints Oklahoma # 17 DT (2000)
14 Thomas Davis SS Panthers Georgia Not Ranked
15 Derrick Johnson LB Chiefs Texas # 5 LB (2001)
16 Travis Johnson DT Texans FSU # 1 DE (2000)
17 David Pollack DE Bengals Georgia # 30 DT (2001)
18 Erasmus James DE Vikings Wisconsin Not Ranked
19 Alex Barron OT Rams FSU # 14 OL (2000)
20 Marcus Spears DE Cowboys LSU # 1 TE (2001)
21 Matt Jones WR Jaguars Arkansas # 31 QB (2001)
22 Mark Clayton WR Ravens Oklahoma # 80 WR (2000)
23 Fabian Washington CB Raiders Nebraska # 13 ATH (2002)
24 Aaron Rodgers QB Packers California Not Ranked
25 Jason Campbell QB Redskins Auburn # 6 QB (2000)
26 Chris Spencer C Seahawks Ole Miss # 5 OL (2001)
27 Roddy White WR Falcons UAB Not Ranked
28 Luis Castillo DT Chargers Northwest # 77 DT (2001)
29 Marlin Jackson CB Colts Michigan # 3 CB (2001)
30 Heath Miller TE Steelers Virginia # 65 QB (2001)
31 Mike Patterson DT Eagles USC # 47 DT (2001)
32 Logan Mankins G Patriots Fresno St Not Ranked
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Round 2 Player POS Team College Rivals
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33 David Baas C 49ers Michigan # 29 OL (2000)
34 Brodney Pool FS Browns Oklahoma # 15 S (2002)
35 Reggie Brown WR Eagles Georgia # 3 WR (1999)
36 Barrett Ruud LB Bucs Nebraska # 61 LB (2001)
37 Shaun Cody DT Lions USC # 1 DE (2001)
38 Stanford Routt CB Raiders Houston Not Ranked
39 Mark Bradley WR Bears Oklahoma Not Ranked
40 Josh Bullocks FS Saints Nebraska # 44 S (2001)
41 Michael Roos OT Titans E Wash Not Ranked
42 Kevin Burnett LB Cowboys Tennessee # 24 S (2000)
43 Corey Webster CB Giants LSU # 52 QB (2000)
44 JJ Arrington RB Cardinals California Not Ranked
45 Lofa Tatupu LB Seahawks USC Not Ranked
46 Matt Roth DE Dolphins Iowa # 16 LB (2001)
47 Mike Nugent K Jets Ohio St # 8 K (2001)
48 Odell Thurman LB Bengals Georgia Not Ranked
49 Marcus Johnson OT Vikings Ole Miss Not Ranked
50 Ronald Bartell CB Rams Howard Not Ranked
51 Nick Collins FS Packers Beth-Cook Not Ranked
52 Kahlif Barnes OT Jaguars Washington Not Ranked
53 Dan Cody DE Ravens Oklahoma # 49 LB (2000)
54 Eric Shelton RB Panthers Louisville # 11 RB (2001)
55 Roscoe Parrish WR Bills Miami Not Ranked
56 Darrent Williams CB Broncos Okla St Not Ranked
57 Justin Miller CB Jets Clemson # 20 CB (2002)
58 Terrence Murphy WR Packers Texas A&M Not Ranked
59 Jonathan Babineaux DT Falcons Iowa Not Ranked
60 Kelvin Hayden CB Colts Illinois # 35 S (2001)
61 Vincent Jackson WR Chargers N Col Not Ranked
62 Bryant McFadden CB Steelers FSU # 1 CB (2000)
63 Matt McCoy LB Eagles S Diego St Not Ranked
64 Adam Terry OT Ravens Syracuse # 63 OL (2000)
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Round 3 Player POS Team College Rivals
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65 Frank Gore RB 49ers Miami # 8 RB (2001)
66 Oshiomogho Atogwe FS Rams Stanford Not Ranked
67 Charlie Frye QB Browns Akron Not Ranked
68 Courtney Roby WR Titans Indiana Not Ranked
69 Andrew Walter QB Raiders Arizona St # 7 QB (2000)
70 Channing Crowder LB Dolphins Florida # 15 OLB (2002)
71 Alex Smith TE Bucs Stanford # 33 TE (2000)
72 Stanley Wilson CB Lions Stanford # 44 WR (2000)
73 Vernand Morency RB Texans Okla St Not Ranked
74 Justin Tuck DE Giants Notre Dame Not Ranked
75 Eric Green CB Cardinals Va Tech Not Ranked
76 Karl Paymah CB Broncos Wash St Not Ranked
77 Ryan Moats RB Eagles La Tech Not Ranked
78 Kirk Morrison LB Raiders S Diego St Not Ranked
79 Evan Mathis G Panthers Alabama Not Ranked
80 Dustin Fox CB Vikings Ohio St # 7 S (2001)
81 Richie Incognito C Rams Nebraska # 60 OL (2001)
82 Alfred Fincher LB Saints Conn Not Ranked
83 Chris Henry WR Bengals W Virginia Not Ranked
84 Ellis Hobbs CB Patriots Iowa St Not Ranked
85 David Greene QB Seahawks Georgia # 29 QB (2000)
86 Kevin Everett TE Bills Miami # 12 TE (2001)
87 Scott Starks CB Jaguars Wisconsin # 70 CB (2001)
88 Sione Pouha DT Jets Utah Not Ranked
89 Atiyyah Ellison DT Panthers Missouri Not Ranked
90 Jordan Beck LB Falcons Cal-Poly Not Ranked
91 Chris Colmer OT Bucs NC State Not Ranked
92 Vincent Burns DE Colts Kentucky Not Ranked
93 Trai Essex OT Steelers Northwest # 20 TE (2001)
94 Adam Snyder G 49ers Oregon Not Ranked
95 Darryl Blackstock LB Cardinals Virginia # 36 TE (2001)
96 Brandon Jones WR Titans Oklahoma # 9 WR (2001)
97 Domonique Foxworth CB Broncos Maryland # 17 CB (2001)
98 Leroy Hill LB Seahawks Clemson # 80 LB (2001)
99 Dustin Colquitt P Chiefs Tennessee Not Ranked
100 Nick Kaczur G Patriots Toledo Not Ranked
101 Maurice Clarett RB Broncos Ohio St # 1 FB (2002)
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Round 4 Player POS Team College Rivals
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102 Sean Considine FS Eagles Iowa Not Ranked
103 Antonio Perkins CB Browns Oklahoma # 47 WR (2000)
104 Travis Daniels CB Dolphins LSU Not Ranked
105 Ray Willis OT Seahawks FSU # 51 OL (2000)
106 Kyle Orton QB Bears Purdue # 8 QB (2001)
107 Dan Buenning G Bucs Wisconsin Not Ranked
108 Vincent Fuller FS Titans Va Tech # 56 S (2000)
109 Marion Barber RB Cowboys Minnesota Not Ranked
110 Brandon Jacobs RB Giants South Ill Not Ranked
111 Elton Brown G Cardinals Virginia Not Ranked
112 Ciatrick Fason RB Vikings Florida # 1 RB (2002)
113 David Stewart OT Titans Miss St # 68 OL (2000)
114 Jerome Mathis WR Texans Hampton Not Ranked
115 Marviel Underwood FS Packers S Diego St Not Ranked
116 Craphonso Thorpe WR Chiefs FSU # 7 WR (2001)
117 Jerome Carter SS Chiefs FSU # 3 S (2001)
118 Chase Lyman WR Saints California Not Ranked
119 Eric Ghiaciuc C Bengals C Mich Not Ranked
120 Manuel White FB Redskins UCLA # 50 RB (2000)
121 Stefon Lefors QB Panthers Louisville Not Ranked
122 Duke Preston C Bills Illinois # 80 OL (2000)
123 Kerry Rhodes FS Jets Louisville Not Ranked
124 Jason Brown C Ravens N Carolina # 77 OL (2001)
125 Brady Poppinga LB Packers BYU Not Ranked
126 Todd Herremans OT Eagles Sag Valley Not Ranked
127 Alvin Pearman RB Jaguars Virginia # 36 RB (2001)
128 Chauncey Davis DE Falcons FSU # 2 DE (2001)
129 Dylan Gandy G Colts Texas Tech Not Ranked
130 Darren Sproles RB Chargers Kansas St # 44 RB (2001)
131 Fred Gibson WR Steelers Georgia # 25 WR (2001)
132 Chris Canty DE Cowboys Virginia Not Ranked
133 James Sanders SS Patriots Fresno St Not Ranked
134 Claude Terrell G Rams New Mexico Not Ranked
135 Matt Giordano FS Colts California Not Ranked
136 Roydell Williams WR Titans Tulane # 15 WR (2000)
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Round 5 Player POS Team College Rivals
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137 Ronald Fields DT 49ers Miss St Not Ranked
138 Boomer Grigsby LB Chiefs Ill State Not Ranked
139 David McMillan DE Browns Kansas # 80 DE (2000)
140 Airese Currie WR Bears Clemson # 6 WR (2001)
141 Donte Nicholson SS Bucs Oklahoma # 57 S (2000)
142 Damien Nash RB Titans Missouri # 15 RB (2001)
143 Junius Coston C Packers N Car A&T Not Ranked
144 Jerome Collins TE Rams Notre Dame # 70 WR (2000)
145 Dan Orlovsky QB Lions Conn # 25 QB (2001)
146 Trent Cole LB Eagles Cincinnati Not Ranked
147 Alphonso Hodge CB Chiefs Miami-OH Not Ranked
148 Jonathan Welsh DE Colts Wisconsin # 66 DE (2000)
149 Adam Seward LB Panthers UNLV Not Ranked
150 Daniel Loper OT Titans Texas Tech Not Ranked
151 Drew Hodgdon C Texans Arizona St # 47 OL (2000)
152 Adrian McPherson QB Saints FSU # 15 QB (2001)
153 Adam Kieft OT Bengals C Mich Not Ranked
154 Robert McCune LB Redskins Louisville Not Ranked
155 Larry Brackins WR Bucs P River Not Ranked
156 Eric King CB Bills W Forest Not Ranked
157 Gerald Sensabaugh SS Jaguars N Carolina Not Ranked
158 Justin Green FB Ravens Montana # 80 RB ( 2000)
159 Jeb Huckeba LB Seahawks Arkansas # 7 LB (2001)
160 Michael Boley LB Falcons So Miss Not Ranked
161 Andre Maddox SS Jets NC State Not Ranked
162 Anthony Alabi OT Dolphins TCU Not Ranked
163 Frank Omiyale OT Falcons Tenn Tech Not Ranked
164 Wesley Britt OT Chargers Alabama # 39 OL (2000)
165 Robert Hunt C Colts N Dak St Not Ranked
166 Rian Wallace LB Steelers Temple Not Ranked
167 Michael Hawkins CB Packers Oklahoma # 7 CB (2002)
168 Lance Mitchell LB Cardinals Oklahoma Not Ranked
169 Geoff Hangartner C Panthers Texas A&M Not Ranked
170 Ryan Claridge LB Patriots UNLV Not Ranked
171 Ben Emanuel FS Panthers UCLA # 8 S (2000)
172 Scott Young G Eagles BYU Not Ranked
173 Tyjuan Hagler LB Colts Cincinnati # 75 S (2000)
174 Rasheed Marshall WR 49ers W Virginia Not Ranked
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Round 6 Player POS Team College Rivals
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175 Anttaj Hawthorne DT Raiders Wisconsin # 6 DT (2001)
176 Nick Speegle LB Browns New Mexico Not Ranked
177 Wes Sims G Chargers Oklahoma # 2 OL (2000)
178 Anthony Bryant DT Bucs Alabama # 4 DT (2000)
179 Bo Scaife TE Titans Texas # 7 TE (1999(
180 Mike Montgomery DT Packers Texas A&M Not Ranked
181 Chris Harris FS Bears La-Monroe Not Ranked
182 Cedric Houston RB Jets Tennessee # 7 RB (2001)
183 Jared Newberry LB Redskins Stanford Not Ranked
184 Bill Swancutt DE Lions Oregon St # 35 DE (2001)
185 Chad Owens WR Jaguars Hawaii Not Ranked
186 Eric Moore DE Giants FSU # 2 LB (2000)
187 Will Svitek OT Chiefs Stanford # 13 TE (2000)
188 Ceandris Brown SS Texans La-Laf Not Ranked
189 Jovan Haye DE Panthers Vanderbilt Not Ranked
190 Tab Perry WR Bengals UCLA # 7 WR (2000)
191 CJ Mosley DT Vikings Missouri # 54 DT (2001)
192 Dante Ridgeway WR Rams Ball St Not Ranked
193 Jason Jefferson DT Saints Wisconsin Not Ranked
194 Pat Thomas LB Jaguars NC State # 67 LB (2001)
195 Craig Bragg WR Packers UCLA # 33 WR (2000)
196 Tony Jackson TE Seahawks Iowa Not Ranked
197 Justin Geisinger G Bills Vanderbilt Not Ranked
198 Joel Dreessen TE Jets Col State Not Ranked
199 Khari Long DE Chiefs Baylor Not Ranked
200 Chris Myers G Broncos Miami # 46 OL (2000)
201 Deandra Cobb RB Falcons Mich St Not Ranked
202 Dave Rayner K Colts Mich St Not Ranked
203 Andrew Hoffman DT Browns Virginia # 71 OL (2000)
204 Chris Kemoeatu G Steelers Utah # 41 DT (2001)
205 Derrick Johnson CB 49ers Washington Not Ranked
206 Jonathan Goddard DE Lions Marshall Not Ranked
207 Joe Berger OT Panthers Mich Tech Not Ranked
208 Justin Beriault FS Cowboys Ball St Not Ranked
209 Rob Petitti OT Cowboys Pittsburgh Not Ranked
210 Reggie Hodges P Rams Ball St Not Ranked
211 Calvin Armstrong OT Eagles Wash St Not Ranked
212 Ryan Riddle DE Raiders California Not Ranked
213 Derek Anderson QB Ravens Oregon St # 9 QB (2001)
214 Pete McMahon OT Raiders Iowa Not Ranked
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Round 7 Player POS Team College Rivals
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215 Daven Holly CB 49ers Cincinnati Not Ranked
216 Kevin Vickerson DT Dolphins Mich St # 24 DE (2001)
217 Jon Dunn OT Browns Va Tech # 19 OL (2000)
218 Reynaldo Hill CB Titans Florida Not Ranked
219 Adrian Ward CB Vikings UTEP Not Ranked
220 Rodriques Wilson SS Bears S Carolina # 26 QB (2000)
221 Rick Razzano FB Bucs Ole Miss Not Ranked
222 Nehemiah Broughton FB Redskins Citadel Not Ranked
223 Marcus Maxwell WR 49ers Oregon Not Ranked
224 Jay Ratliff DE Cowboys Auburn # 7 TE (2000)
225 Paris Warren WR Bucs Utah # 22 WR (2000)
226 LeRon McCoy WR Cardinals Indiana PA Not Ranked
227 Kenneth Pettway LB Texans Grambling Not Ranked
228 Shaun Nua DE Steelers BYU Not Ranked
229 James Kilian QB Chiefs Tulsa # 59 QB (2000)
230 Matt Cassel QB Patriots USC # 16 QB (2000)
231 Hamza Abdullah SS Bucs Wash St Not Ranked
232 Jimmy Verdon DT Saints Arizona St # 28 LB (2000)
233 Jonathan Fanene DE Bengals Utah Not Ranked
234 Mike Smith LB Ravens Texas Tech Not Ranked
235 Coenrlius Wortham LB Seahawks Alabama # 12 S (2000)
236 Lionel Gates RB Bills Louisville # 85 RB (2001)
237 Chris Roberson CB Jaguars C Mich Not Ranked
238 Jeremy Parquet OT Chiefs So Miss Not Ranked
239 Paul Ernster K Broncos N Arizona Not Ranked
240 Harry Williams WR Jets Tuskegee Not Ranked
241 Darrell Shropshire DT Falcons S Carolina Not Ranked
242 Scott Mruczkowski C Chargers B Green Not Ranked
243 Anthony Davis RB Colts Wisconsin # 61 RB (2000)
244 Noah Herron RB Steelers Northwest Not Ranked
245 Kurt Campbell CB Packers Albany NY Not Ranked
246 William Whitticker G Packers Mich St # 88 OL (2000)
247 Keyonta Marshall DT Eagles G Val St Not Ranked
248 Patrick Estes TE 49ers Virginia # 6 TE (2001)
249 Billy Bajema TE 49ers Okla St Not Ranked
250 Ryan Fitzpatrick QB Rams Harvard # 83 QB (2001)
251 Madison Hedgecock FB Rams N Carolina # 15 LB (2000)
252 David Bergeron LB Eagles Stanford # 38 LB (2000)
253 JR Russell WR Bucs Louisville Not Ranked
254 Doug Neinhaus OT Seahawks Oregon St Not Ranked

GlobalCat
05-04-2005, 02:27 AM
One thing I would expect to change in upcoming years is that the HS rankings will be closer to the draft position due to the fact that the recruiting press has grown leaps and bounds over time and will continue to do so. As this new segment of sports is expanded and improved, I would expect that within the next few years the end result will be closer.

Of course, it is still a prediction and those are never 100% correct. There are always late bloomers and talent doesn't always equal success.

Josh Gershon
05-04-2005, 02:47 AM
I'd like to know where they found the Rivals rankings for 2000 and 2001 players. I can't find them anywhere.

SnowCat
05-04-2005, 03:06 AM
One thing I would expect to change in upcoming years is that the HS rankings will be closer to the draft position due to the fact that the recruiting press has grown leaps and bounds over time and will continue to do so. As this new segment of sports is expanded and improved, I would expect that within the next few years the end result will be closer.

I'm not sure I agree. Football is a sport where even the most developed HS players really have no shot at the league - yet. There is so much more developement at the college level that takes place than in basketball that it's just plain absurd. In college football, there is such a huge value on work ethic, weight training, etc., that I just don't see the ranking system ever being over 50-50.

Not to mention all the wasted opportunities by guys flunking out, getting kicked off teams, etc.

IF and WHEN HS's are allowed to enter the NFL draft out of HS (not gonna happen), then the rankings might be closer.

Don't forget that in the two intermediate years, all hell can break loose.

BTW, anyone hear of AAU football summer circuits being conducted similar to BBall? Combines are one thing...

stewbacka
05-04-2005, 08:53 PM
I disagree that it has grown and improved and I work for Rivals

Ben Hansen
05-04-2005, 09:21 PM
Just don't buy into rankings from anyone. Rivals is far and away the best when it comes to football recruiting so the above evidence was a little surprising.