Ben Hansen's Super 33 college freshmen

[Ben Hansen]

1. Magnum Rolle, F-LSU (everyone in the world will have McRoberts at No. 1, but not me…I honestly believe that Rolle will have the best career of all of the college attendees from this class).
2. Josh McRoberts, PF-Duke
3. Mario Chalmers, PG-Kansas
4. Tyler Hansbrough, PF- UNC
5. Julian Wright, F-Kansas
6. Jon Brockman, PF-Washington
7. Marcus Williams, F-Arizona
8. Shawne Williams, F-Memphis
9. Terrence Williams, G-Louisville
10. Richard Hendrix, PF-Alabama
11. Brandon Rush, F-Kansas
12. Joe Krabbenhoft, F-Wisconsin
13. Theo Davis, F-Iowa State
14. Ben Allen, C-Indiana (friend of UA guard Daniel Dillon, and fellow Aussie).
15. Dior Lowhorn, PF-Texas Tech
16. Ryan Wright, F-UCLA
17. Greg Paulus, PG-Duke
18. Mike Mercer, PG-Georgia
19. Lawrence Hill, F-Stanford
20. Keith Brumbaugh, F-Oklahoma State
21. Joe Darger, F-UNLV
22. Brandon Costner, F-NC State
23. Bobby Frasor, G-UNC
24. Korvotney Barber, F-Auburn
25. Rashad Woods, G-DePaul
26. Sean McCurdy, G-Arkansas
27. Jessie Sapp, G-Georgetown
28. Marcus Johnson, F-UConn
29. Kaleo Kina, G-Navy
30. Ray Murdock, G- San Diego
31. Alfred Aboya, PF-UCLA
32. Austin Johnson, PG-Oklahoma
33. Daren Jordan, G-Oral Roberts


BOLD = one-time Arizona target.

-Ben

[CarryOn]

Correction:

Theo Davis (#13) didn't qualify at Iowa State and is now at a prep school.

Last week, Davis re-opened his recruitment which freed up an ISU scholie.

Last weekend, Lawrence Westbrook verbally committed during an official visit.

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[sincat]

So you're saying that three former AZ locks that we passed on (Rashaun Woods, Law Hill and T-Will) will end up having better careers than Fendi and JP? Are you also including their playing and coaching situations (system, environment, etc...) or only based on talent?

[Ben Hansen]

I'm saying they'll have better frosh yrs than Fendi and JP, not careers. Only Magnum am I talking about in both cases.

[Ben Hansen]

Correction:

Theo Davis (#13) didn't qualify at Iowa State and is now at a prep school.

Last week, Davis re-opened his recruitment which freed up an ISU scholie.

Last weekend, Lawrence Westbrook verbally committed during an official visit.

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I knew about LW but not Theo so thanks. I hope Westie doesn't bite anyone else while he's in Ames.

[Azgirl]

No, JP Prince, I am shocked and would have to include him on the list.

[Chris Karpman]

Please just stop. You are going to have Kina (who is a really nice guy) on this list and not Sylvester Seay. One guy won't probably play much at Navy and the other will start in the Pac-10. I only wanted to provide one example but this list is absurd. No offense.

[the goat]

No Jamont Gordon Ben? I see him having a big year in that Miss. State backcourt.

[Ben Hansen]

He is very good, yes, that's a blatant omission by me.

[aicrag]

I'm assuming he put Kina on the list because of his close relationship with him in the past. Do they even play basketball at USN? And if they didn't would anybody know any differently?

Ciao

[CarryOn]

5th-year preps shouldn't be "true freshmen" IMHO.

ASU's Seay turned 20 years old last July.

Some guys on Ben's list could have a college degree at 21 years of age.

:robevans:

[11Banners]

I think you're overhyping Ryan Wright, Ben. From what we've seen out of him, he's pretty raw and most likely won't make an immediate impact. Luc Mbah Moute and or Roll will really surprise you guys this year.

[Ben Hansen]

I'm not overhyping him at all. I saw him plenty in AAU ball and loved his game...same with Aboya and Collison.Fendi speaks highly of Luc so I take his word for it there but I refuse to believe anyone about Roll until I see him myself.

[Sobemon]

1. Magnum Rolle, F-LSU (everyone in the world will have McRoberts at No. 1, but not me…I honestly believe that Rolle will have the best career of all of the college attendees from this class).
2. Josh McRoberts, PF-Duke
3. Mario Chalmers, PG-Kansas
4. Tyler Hansbrough, PF- UNC
5. Julian Wright, F-Kansas
6. Jon Brockman, PF-Washington
7. Marcus Williams, F-Arizona
8. Shawne Williams, F-Memphis
9. Terrence Williams, G-Louisville
10. Richard Hendrix, PF-Alabama
11. Brandon Rush, F-Kansas
12. Joe Krabbenhoft, F-Wisconsin
13. Theo Davis, F-Iowa State
14. Ben Allen, C-Indiana (friend of UA guard Daniel Dillon, and fellow Aussie).
15. Dior Lowhorn, PF-Texas Tech
16. Ryan Wright, F-UCLA
17. Greg Paulus, PG-Duke
18. Mike Mercer, PG-Georgia
19. Lawrence Hill, F-Stanford
20. Keith Brumbaugh, F-Oklahoma State
21. Joe Darger, F-UNLV
22. Brandon Costner, F-NC State
23. Bobby Frasor, G-UNC
24. Korvotney Barber, F-Auburn
25. Rashad Woods, G-DePaul
26. Sean McCurdy, G-Arkansas
27. Jessie Sapp, G-Georgetown
28. Marcus Johnson, F-UConn
29. Kaleo Kina, G-Navy
30. Ray Murdock, G- San Diego
31. Alfred Aboya, PF-UCLA
32. Austin Johnson, PG-Oklahoma
33. Daren Jordan, G-Oral Roberts


BOLD = one-time Arizona target.

-Ben


Your list needs some revamping,
Forwards are a dime-a-dozen, 8 of your top 10 are all Forwards and 7 of your bottom 10 are guards.....and only 1 center in the whole list?

[TucsonDon]

I guess the Cats should've recruited Kaleo and Darren Jordan over Prince, huh?:robevans:
I also like Joe Darger over Brandon Costner, Korvotney Barber and Marcus Johnson.:dirk: Or anyone other than McRoberts or maybe Hansborough over Richard Hendrix.:dirk:

[Sobemon]

I guess the Cats should've recruited Kaleo and Darren Jordan over Prince, huh?:robevans:
I also like Joe Darger over Brandon Costner, Korvotney Barber and Marcus Johnson.:dirk: Or anyone other than McRoberts or maybe Hansborough over Richard Hendrix.:dirk:


i am not saying anything about what the UofA should or should not have done
im stating that there are 20 forwards on a list of 33, and that maybe that itself helps to a small degree prove that forwards are plentiful

[TucsonDon]

My post wasn't referencing yours.

[Sobemon]

my bad

[Irish27]

Luke Zeller of Notre Dame(Mr. Indiana) should be in the top-33. Luke will be seeing a lot of playing time. He should help Torin Francis down low.

[UA Direct]

Lewis Clinch at Georgia Tech will see a lot of action since Tech's backcourt was pretty well gutted.

[edgewood4]

Luke Zeller of Notre Dame(Mr. Indiana) should be in the top-33. Luke will be seeing a lot of playing time. He should help Torin Francis down low.

While I've not seen a lot of Luke Zeller, I did see him in person once and wasn't impressed at all. The annual Kentucky/Indiana all-star game was in my hometown this year. Zeller was supposed to come out and dominate, but instead did nothing against a 6-6 PF. Of course he could have just had a bad game, but after watching him in the McDonalds game and the all-star game it seems that he will need a few years to develop.

[11Banners]

That's great you saw him at AAU events Ben, but watching him at UCLA and this past summer in the Say No League has led most of us to believe he will not be the impact PF we had hoped he would be right away. He's extremely athletic and will become a very good/great player, but he won't be an impact freshman, imo.

[Jason Scheer]

Ok I have to bump this because Zigs linked it and it is interesting all the way around..

[BigO]

Honestly, not a terrible super 33 by han man. Picking of Rolle was a reach, but thats what reaches are, a reach. Reach...just hit my quota.

[bhanson]

So you're saying that three former AZ locks that we passed on (Rashaun Woods, Law Hill and T-Will) will end up having better careers than Fendi and JP?

Good call Ben.

And really, he may have missed on Rolle but you take any list from any basketball pundit of that time, and Ben's list is probably more accurate than the the vast majority of them.

[sparkysucks]

And really, he may have missed on Rolle but you take any list from any basketball pundit of that time, and Ben's list is probably more accurate than the the vast majority of them.
actually, his list is absolutely horrible....... but im sure he appreciates the attempt at a compliment.

[EOCT]

Ok I have to bump this because Zigs linked it and it is interesting all the way around..

Yeah, kind of interesting, but once again, bottom line, one more shot at Ben.

Why is this necessary? It's in the past. It's bush and below any of us in this Cat family.

I'm sure everyone has a view of Ben and what he meant to this site and Cat ball. I, for one, really appreciated Ben's writing, his verve and color, his risk taking(as in evaluating prospects), and his character. I would hope if I had the opposite view and thought Ben was uninteresting or way off in his opinions, that I would never bring something up intended to degrade or embarrass him.

My view.....

[Josh Gershon]

I don't know why Jason bumped it, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it wasn't to take a shot at Ben. Jason has more character than that and I'm sure just wanted to discuss the topic.

I agree with you though, Ben was never afraid to give an opinion, and right or wrong, never took the kudos or criticism too seriously.

[baycat93]

Yeah, kind of interesting, but once again, bottom line, one more shot at Ben.

Why is this necessary? It's in the past. It's bush and below any of us in this Cat family.

I'm sure everyone has a view of Ben and what he meant to this site and Cat ball. I, for one, really appreciated Ben's writing, his verve and color, his risk taking(as in evaluating prospects), and his character. I would hope if I had the opposite view and thought Ben was uninteresting or way off in his opinions, that I would never bring something up intended to degrade or embarrass him.

My view.....

agreed. not even sure if jason was even around during ben's tenure.

[jerzydevil]

Please just stop. You are going to have Kina (who is a really nice guy) on this list and not Sylvester Seay. One guy won't probably play much at Navy and the other will start in the Pac-10. I only wanted to provide one example but this list is absurd. No offense.

I just feel like pointing out Karp's post in this. How is Seay working out for you guys? :herb:

[Jason Scheer]

Good lord. I got negative repped for bumping this? It definitely was not a shot at Ben. I saw Ziggiles link it and when I read it I found it to be interesting because it was another indication on how a lot of times rankings mean nothing. From Karpman to Ben to Dintzer to JP Prince and Fendi, I just thought there were some interesting takes in it and surely did not mean to take any shots at anybody.

[TucsonDon]

I would say the exact same thing today that I said two years ago.

As a side note, I love it when people bump old recruiting threads; don't take any ****, Jason...keep going; I love seeing who I've been wrong and right about in the last four years, it's interesting.

[bhanson]

I don't think anyone is taking a shot at Ben either. Has anyone else had the cajones since to put their reputation on the line and rank their own list of 33 freshmen?

[Jason Scheer]

I'd love people to bump my threads too. I honestly find it interesting to look back at past recruiting classes.

[Josh Gershon]

I don't think anyone is taking a shot at Ben either. Has anyone else had the cajones since to put their reputation on the line and rank their own list of 33 freshmen?
It's an impossible task, which is why people don't do it.

Ben liked to have fun with lists because they gave people something to talk about.

[guert]

Ben rules.

[haji81872]

I don't know why anyone would think that bumping this was a slam at Ben. Looks like he put together a hell of a list. Probably more accurate then most others would have put out at that time. Sure some of his misses were bad, but he had some great hits as well.

[jerzydevil]

Jason...I just gave you positive rep to bring you back up!

[EOCT]

Good lord. I got negative repped for bumping this? It definitely was not a shot at Ben. I saw Ziggiles link it and when I read it I found it to be interesting because it was another indication on how a lot of times rankings mean nothing. From Karpman to Ben to Dintzer to JP Prince and Fendi, I just thought there were some interesting takes in it and surely did not mean to take any shots at anybody.

Jason, I certainly believe your word that your motivation was positive. I initially read your post and sensed otherwise, interpreting it in the context of many posts over the last couple of years which I felt were clearly meant to denigrate Ben.

And yes, I think it's interesting to look at history, especially if it has some relevance to the present. I love it when someone has the cajs' to force-rank their views of players.

Sorry, Jason, if I offended you. (By the way, it wasn't me who negative repped you.)

[BigO]

Pretty sure he would know it wasn't you who neg repped him...unless you wanted the message board to know it wasn't you.. They show you who does in the User CP.

[Ryan Stevens]

Has anyone else had the cajones since to put their reputation on the line and rank their own list of 33 freshmen?

Yeah, I think Basnight does that kind of stuff.

[JW_in_Philly]

but that's just the 33 freshman that UW is going to add, after they run off the rest of their scholi players every year! :lol:

[Reydituto]

I think you're overhyping Ryan Wright, Ben. From what we've seen out of him, he's pretty raw and most likely won't make an immediate impact. Luc Mbah Moute and or Roll will really surprise you guys this year.

Kudos to banners for his good calls on LRMBAM and Wright ... Roll not so much, but at least there's no "Second Coming" reference here ...

Yeah, kind of interesting, but once again, bottom line, one more shot at Ben.

Why is this necessary? It's in the past. It's bush and below any of us in this Cat family.

I'm sure everyone has a view of Ben and what he meant to this site and Cat ball. I, for one, really appreciated Ben's writing, his verve and color, his risk taking(as in evaluating prospects), and his character. I would hope if I had the opposite view and thought Ben was uninteresting or way off in his opinions, that I would never bring something up intended to degrade or embarrass him.

My view.....

I wasn't around the board back then, but I'm not afraid to say that I never got the whole Cult of Ben Hansen thing that a lot of the long-time posters show. I actually like his writing style, and appreciate that he had the chutzpah to put out his own lists and make predictions, and have nothing but good thoughts for him regarding his health struggles, but really, that list was all sorts of awful, even in the light of what was available to us then, much less in retrospect, and this isn't the first time an old Ben thread has been necromanced and my general opinion has been "WTF?!?!?"

I'm not trying to diminish Ben in the eyes of the longtimers here, just thought a dissenting opinion was warranted here.

Good lord. I got negative repped for bumping this? It definitely was not a shot at Ben. I saw Ziggiles link it and when I read it I found it to be interesting because it was another indication on how a lot of times rankings mean nothing. From Karpman to Ben to Dintzer to JP Prince and Fendi, I just thought there were some interesting takes in it and surely did not mean to take any shots at anybody.

I appreciate you bumping this thread Jason, as I otherwise would never have seen it, and I agree there were many interesting takes.

Yeah, I think Basnight does that kind of stuff.

I know this isn't at all what you meant Ryan, but this is also not the first time I've seen Ben and Bazzie mentioned in the same thread ... Hmmmm ...

[bhanson]

Ben's list and their career stats:


1. Magnum Rolle, F-LSU
PPG 4.0 | APG .4 | RPG 4.1
2. Josh McRoberts, PF-Duke
PPG 13.0 | APG 3.5 | RPG 7.9
3. Mario Chalmers, PG-Kansas
PPG 12.2 | APG 3.3 | RPG 3.0
4. Tyler Hansbrough, PF- UNC
PPG 18.4 | APG 1.2 | RPG 7.9
5. Julian Wright, F-Kansas
PPG 12.0 | APG 2.2 | RPG 7.8
6. Jon Brockman, PF-Washington
PPG 14.2 | APG 1.1 | RPG 9.6
7. Marcus Williams, F-Arizona
PPG 16.6 | APG 2.2 | RPG 6.7
8. Shawne Williams, F-Memphis
PPG 13.2 | APG 1.9 | RPG 6.2
9. Terrence Williams, G-Louisville
PPG 12.4 | APG 3.8 | RPG 7.0
10. Richard Hendrix, PF-Alabama
PPG 14.6 | APG 1.9 | RPG 8.7
11. Brandon Rush, F-Kansas
PPG 13.8 | APG 2.0 | RPG 5.6
12. Joe Krabbenhoft, F-Wisconsin
PPG 4.8 | APG 1.6 | RPG 4.8
13. Theo Davis, F-Iowa State (ISU withdrew scholie, signed with Gonzaga)
DNP, injury, then suspended for marijuana possession
14. Ben Allen, C-Indiana (friend of UA guard Daniel Dillon, and fellow Aussie).
PPG .8 | APG .4 | RPG 1.5
15. Dior Lowhorn, PF-Texas Tech
PPG 7.2 | APG .3 | RPG 3.9 (DNP 06/07)
16. Ryan Wright, F-UCLA
PPG 1.3 | APG .0 | RPG .9
17. Greg Paulus, PG-Duke
PPG 11.8 | APG 3.8 | RPG 2.2
18. Mike Mercer, PG-Georgia
PPG 13.6 | APG 3.3 | RPG 4.4
19. Lawrence Hill, F-Stanford
PPG 15.7 | APG 1.8 | RPG 6.0
20. Keith Brumbaugh, F-Oklahoma State
DNP
21. Joe Darger, F-UNLV
PPG 6.0 | APG .4 | RPG 1.9
22. Brandon Costner, F-NC State
PPG 16.8 | APG 1.8 | RPG 7.3
23. Bobby Frasor, G-UNC
PPG 2.4 | APG 1.6 | RPG .7
24. Korvotney Barber, F-Auburn
PPG 11.3 | APG 1.1 | RPG 6.6
25. Rashad Woods, G-DePaul
DNP
26. Sean McCurdy, G-Arkansas
PPG 1.7 | APG 1.3 | RPG 1.0
27. Jessie Sapp, G-Georgetown
PPG 9.1 | APG 3.5 | RPG 4.0
28. Marcus Johnson, F-UConn
PPG 5.5 | APG .8 | RPG 3.0
29. Kaleo Kina, G-Navy
PPG 9.2 | APG 2.7 | RPG 3.3
30. Ray Murdock, G- San Diego
PPG 5.9 | APG 1.4 | RPG 2.1
31. Alfred Aboya, PF-UCLA
PPG 4.1 | APG .2 | RPG 4.2
32. Austin Johnson, PG-Oklahoma
PPG 7.0 | APG 2.8 | RPG 1.8
33. Daren Jordan, G-Oral Roberts
PPG .8 | APG .2 | RPG .2

[sparkysucks]

Ben's list and their career stats:


1. Magnum Rolle, F-LSU
PPG 4.0 | APG .4 | RPG 4.1
2. Josh McRoberts, PF-Duke
PPG 13.0 | APG 3.5 | RPG 7.9
3. Mario Chalmers, PG-Kansas
PPG 12.2 | APG 3.3 | RPG 3.0
4. Tyler Hansbrough, PF- UNC
PPG 18.4 | APG 1.2 | RPG 7.9
5. Julian Wright, F-Kansas
PPG 12.0 | APG 2.2 | RPG 7.8
6. Jon Brockman, PF-Washington
PPG 14.2 | APG 1.1 | RPG 9.6
7. Marcus Williams, F-Arizona
PPG 16.6 | APG 2.2 | RPG 6.7
8. Shawne Williams, F-Memphis
PPG 13.2 | APG 1.9 | RPG 6.2
9. Terrence Williams, G-Louisville
PPG 12.4 | APG 3.8 | RPG 7.0
10. Richard Hendrix, PF-Alabama
PPG 14.6 | APG 1.9 | RPG 8.7
11. Brandon Rush, F-Kansas
PPG 13.8 | APG 2.0 | RPG 5.6
12. Joe Krabbenhoft, F-Wisconsin
PPG 4.8 | APG 1.6 | RPG 4.8
13. Theo Davis, F-Iowa State (ISU withdrew scholie, signed with Gonzaga)
DNP, injury, then suspended for marijuana possession
14. Ben Allen, C-Indiana (friend of UA guard Daniel Dillon, and fellow Aussie).
PPG .8 | APG .4 | RPG 1.5
15. Dior Lowhorn, PF-Texas Tech
PPG 7.2 | APG .3 | RPG 3.9 (DNP 06/07)
16. Ryan Wright, F-UCLA
PPG 1.3 | APG .0 | RPG .9
17. Greg Paulus, PG-Duke
PPG 11.8 | APG 3.8 | RPG 2.2
18. Mike Mercer, PG-Georgia
PPG 13.6 | APG 3.3 | RPG 4.4
19. Lawrence Hill, F-Stanford
PPG 15.7 | APG 1.8 | RPG 6.0
20. Keith Brumbaugh, F-Oklahoma State
DNP
21. Joe Darger, F-UNLV
PPG 6.0 | APG .4 | RPG 1.9
22. Brandon Costner, F-NC State
PPG 16.8 | APG 1.8 | RPG 7.3
23. Bobby Frasor, G-UNC
PPG 2.4 | APG 1.6 | RPG .7
24. Korvotney Barber, F-Auburn
PPG 11.3 | APG 1.1 | RPG 6.6
25. Rashad Woods, G-DePaul
DNP
26. Sean McCurdy, G-Arkansas
PPG 1.7 | APG 1.3 | RPG 1.0
27. Jessie Sapp, G-Georgetown
PPG 9.1 | APG 3.5 | RPG 4.0
28. Marcus Johnson, F-UConn
PPG 5.5 | APG .8 | RPG 3.0
29. Kaleo Kina, G-Navy
PPG 9.2 | APG 2.7 | RPG 3.3
30. Ray Murdock, G- San Diego
PPG 5.9 | APG 1.4 | RPG 2.1
31. Alfred Aboya, PF-UCLA
PPG 4.1 | APG .2 | RPG 4.2
32. Austin Johnson, PG-Oklahoma
PPG 7.0 | APG 2.8 | RPG 1.8
33. Daren Jordan, G-Oral Roberts
PPG .8 | APG .2 | RPG .2
wow even worse than i thought and thats career and not freshman year like ben was talking about. thanks for reinforcing everyones opinion.
bad bad list.

[bhanson]

wow even worse than i thought and thats career and not freshman year like ben was talking about. thanks for reinforcing everyones opinion.
bad bad list.

Dude, if you going to disrespect someone, be a man about it and quit hiding behind a sock.

[sparkysucks]

How is that disrepect? it is a really bad list, it is not personal, it is just a really bad list.

[Reydituto]

Ben's list and their career stats:

Sock or not, I have to agree with sparkysucks. So far, soooo bad ... No one listed after The Law (#19) except for Costner and perhaps Barber has even come close, and many of the Top 20 were overvalued. Even worse is that only 3 of those listed have gone pro so far, which you'd expect such a list to have more.

[Gronk4Heisman]

Name 5 people better then those on that list

[bhanson]

Let's check out other rankings of the same period. Most pundits of course don't leave their lists out for public scrutiny like Ben.

Rivals:
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?SID=910&ra_key=768

1 Gerald Green
Houston (TX) Gulf Shores Academy G 6-8/195 Oklahoma State
2 Josh McRoberts
Carmel (IN) F 6-11/241 Duke
3 Monta Ellis
Jackson (MS) Lanier High School G 6-2/160 Mississippi State
4 Andray Blatche
Syracuse (NY) South Kent (CT) F 6-11/230 list
5 Martell Webster
Seattle (WA) Seattle Prep G 6-6/225 Washington
6 Andrew Bynum
Metuchen (NJ) St. Josephs C 6-11/270 Connecticut
7 Louis Williams
Snellville (GA) South Gwinnett G 6-2/175 list
8 Julian Wright
Flossmoor (IL) Homewood F 6-8/214 Kansas
9 Richard Hendrix
Athens (AL) Athens High Sch F 6-8/250 Alabama
10 Tyler Hansbrough
Poplar Bluff (MO) Poplar Bluff HS F 6-8/224 North Carolina
11 Greg Paulus
Manlius (NY) Christian Brothers Academy G 6-1/180 Duke
12 Mario Chalmers
Anchorage (AK) Bartlett High School G 6-3/182 Kansas
13 Brandon Rush
Kansas City (MO) Mt. Zion Academy F 6-6/202 Kansas
14 Keith Brumbaugh
DeLand (FL) DeLand F 6-8/205 Oklahoma State
15 Shawne Williams
Laurinburg (NC) Laurinburg Institute G 6-9/210 Memphis
16 Jamont Gordon
Nashville (TN) Oak Hill Academy G 6-3/225 Mississippi State
17 Byron Eaton
Dallas (TX) Lincoln G 5-11/210 Oklahoma State
18 Magnum Rolle
Freeport, Bahamas (OU) Laurinburg Institute (NC) F 6-9/200 LSU
19 Calvin Miles
Dallas (TX) Skyline F 6-5/195 Texas
20 Tasmin Mitchell
Denham Springs (LA) Denham Springs F 6-7/220 LSU
21 J.P. Prince
Memphis (TN) White Station G 6-7/203 Arizona
22 Mike Mercer
Snellville (GA) South Gwinnett G 6-3/170 Georgia
23 Joe Krabbenhoft
Sioux Falls (SD) Roosevelt F 6-7/200 Wisconsin
24 Courtney Fells
Shannon (MS) Shannon G 6-5/180 NC State
25 Jovan Adams
Houston (TX) Gulf Shores Academy G 6-1/180 UNLV
26 Roderick Flemings
DeSoto (TX) DeSoto F 6-5/190 Oklahoma State
Fendi Onobun
Alief (TX) Taylor HS F 6-7/225 Arizona
28 Micah Downs
Kirkland (WA) Juanita High School F 6-8/200 Kansas
29 Amir Johnson
Los Angeles (CA) Westchester F 6-9/204 Louisville
30 Brandon Costner
West Orange (NJ) Seton Hall Prep F 6-8/217 NC State
31 Danny Green
Manhasset (NY) St. Mary's G 6-5/180 North Carolina
32 Lewis Clinch
Cordele (GA) Crisp Co. G 6-3/180 Georgia Tech
33 Alonzo Gee
Palm Beach Gardens (FL) Dwyer G 6-6/205 Alabama



Youth Prep Stars Recruiting Magazine
http://www.youthprepstar.com/NatBaskRankings05.htm



1
Tasmin Mitchell WF/6-6 Denham Springs, LA
2
Louis Williams PG/6-2 Snellville, GA/South Gwinnett Georgia
3
Martell Webster 2G/6-6 Seattle, WA/Prep
4
Richard Hendrix PF/6-8 Athens, AL/Athens
5
Keith Brumbaugh PF/6-9 Deland, FL/Deland
6
Tyler Hansbrough PF/6-9 Poplar Buff, MO/Poplar Buff
7
Monta Ellis 2G/6-3 Jackson, MS/ Lanier Miss. State
8
C.J. Miles 2G/6-6 Dallas, TX/ Skyline
9
Julian Wright WF/6-8 Flossmoor, IL/ Homewood
10
Josh McRoberts (Tie) PF-6-9 Carmel, IN/Carmel Duke
10
Amir Johnson C/6-9 Los Angeles, CA/Westchester Louisville
11
Shane Clark WF/6-6 Philadelphia, PA/Cardinal Dougherty Villanova
12
Eric Boateng C/6-11 Middletown, DE/St. Andrews
13
Luke Zeller C/6-11 Washington, IN/Washington Notre Dame
14
Greg Paulus PG-6-2 Syracuse, NY/Christian Brothers Duke
15
Tiki Mayben PG/6-2 Troy, NY/Troy Syracuse
16
Korvotney Barber PF/6-7 Manchester, GA/Manchester
17
Jamel Boykin PF/6-7 Los Angeles/Fairfax Duke
18
Marcus Williams WF/6-6 Seattle, WA/Roosevelt
19
Bobby Fraser 2G/6-3 Chicago, IL/ Brother Rice N. Carolina
20
Micah Downs WF/6-8 Bothell, WA/Bothell Kansas
21
Andree McGhee PG/5-10 Moreno Valley, CA/Canyon Springs Louisville
22
Eric Devendorf 2G/6-3 Bay City, MI/Bay City Syracuse
23
Brandon Rush WF/6-7 Durham, NC/Mt. Zion Christian
24
Mario Chalmers PG/6-2 Anchorage, AK/Bartlett Kansas
25
Tyler Smith WF/6-6 Pulaski, TN/Giles County Tennessee
26
Jamont Gordon 2G/6-4 Nashville, TN/Glenncliff
27
Marcus Ginyard 2G/6-5 Arlington, VA/Bishop Oneal N. Carolina
28
A.J. Abrams PG/5-10 Austin, TX/McNeil Texas
29
Davon Jefferson WF/6-8 Lynwood, CA/Lynwood
30
Wes Matthews PG/6-3 Madison, WI/Memorial Wisconsin
31
Joe Krabbenhoft WF/6-7 Sioux Falls, SD/Roosevelt Wisconsin
31 Marcus Johnson WF/6-6 Los Angeles, CA/Westchester
32
Brandon Costner PF/6-9 West Orange, NJ/Seton Hall Prep
33
Theo Davis C/6-10 Cardozo, NY/Bayside Texas



USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/columnist/harrington/2004-06-30-prepstars_x.htm


1 Richard Hendrix 6-8 PF Athens (Ala.)
2 Tyler Hansbrough 6-8 PF Poplar Bluff (Mo.)
3 Brandon Rush 6-6 WF Mt. Zion (Durham, N.C.)
4 Shawne Williams 6-8 WF Laurinburg (N.C.) Prep
5 Mario Chalmers 6-1 PG Bartlett (Anchorage) KANSAS
6 Micah Downs 6-8 WF Bothell (Wash.) KANSAS
7 Louis Williams 6-1 SG South Gwinnett (Snellville, Ga.) GEORGIA
8 Andray Blatche 6-10 PF South Kent (Conn.) Prep
9 Josh McRoberts 6-9 PF Carmel (Ind.) DUKE
10 Martell Webster 6-6 WF Seattle Prep
11 Monta Ellis 6-1 SG Lanier (Jackson, Miss.) MISSISSIPPI STATE
12 Jon Brockman 6-8 PF Snohomish (Wash.)
13 Tasmin Mitchell 6-7 PF/WF Denham Springs (La.)
14 Eric Devendorf 6-3 SG/PG Oak Hill (Mouth of Wilson, Va.)
15 Amir Johnson 6-9 PF Westchester (Los Angeles) LOUISVILLE
16 Fendi Onobun 6-7 PF Taylor (Houston) ARIZONA
17 C.J. Miles 6-5 SG Skyline (Dallas)
18 Gerald Green 6-6 WF Gulf Shores (Houston) OKLAHOMA STATE
19 Korvotney Barber 6-7 PF Manchester (Ga.)
20 Ryan Wright 6-8 PF Mississauga (Ontario, Canada)
21 Julian Wright 6-7 WF Homewood-Flossmoor (Homewood, Ill.)
22 Chris Douglas-Roberts 6-5 SG/PG Cass (Detroit)
23 Eric Boateng 6-10 C St. Andrew's (Middletown, Del.)
24 Marcus Williams 6-5 WF/SG Roosevelt (Seattle)
25 Keith Brumbaugh 6-8 WF DeLand (Fla.)
26 Bobby Frasor 6-3 SG Brother Rice (Chicago) NORTH CAROLINA
27 Marcus Ginyard 6-4 SG/WF Bishop O'Connell (Arlington, Va.) NORTH CAROLINA
28 Terrence Williams 6-5 SG Rainier Beach (Seattle) LOUISVILLE
29 Jamal Boykin 6-6 PF/WF Fairfax (Los Angeles)
30 Lawrence Kinnard 6-7 WF Raleigh-Egypt (Memphis)
31 Greg Paulus 6-2 PG Christian Brothers (Syracuse, N.Y.) DUKE
32 Leo Criswell 6-9 WF Piper (Kansas City, Kan.)
33 Tiki Mayben 6-2 PG Troy (N.Y.) SYRACUSE


Basketball Phenoms: http://www.basketballphenoms.com/classof2005.htm


1. Louis Williams SG 6-1 Lithonia, GA (South Gwinnett) Nike Georgia Stars
2. Tyler Smith SG 6-7 Pulaski, TN (Giles County) SE Pump N' Run
3. Monta Ellis PG 6-3 Jackson, MS (Lanier) Magnolia Stars
4. Keith Brumbaugh SF 6-9 Deland, FL (Deland) Nike Team Florida
5. Martell Webster SG 6-6 Seattle, WA (Seattle Prep) Payton Nike Select
6. Tasmin Mitchell PF 6-7 Denham Springs, LA (Denham Springs) Sports Academy
7. Richard Hendrix PF 6-8 Athens, AL (Athens) Alabama Lasers
8. Andre McGee PG 5-11 Moreno Valley, CA (Canyon Springs) Inland
9. C.J. Henry PG 6-3 Oklahoma City, OK (Putnam City) Athletes First
10. Marcus Ginyard SG 6-5 Arlington, VA (Bishop O'Connel) DC Blue Devils
11. Julius Powell C 6-8 Newton, NC (Newton-Conover) NC Gaters
12. Kendrick Johnson C 6-10 Morton, TX (Morton) Texas Top Prospects
13. Josh McRoberts C 6-8 Carmel, IN (Carmel) Spiece
14. Rashad Chase SF 6-9 Marietta, GA (Mays) Nike Georgia Stars
15. Luke Zeller C 6-11 Washington, IN (Washington) Spiece
16. Joey Cameron C 6-9 Calere, AL (Calere) SE Pump N' Run
17. Terrance Williams PG 6-6 Seattle, WA (Rainier Beach) Seattle Rotary
18. Byron Eaton PG 6-0 Dallas, TX (Lincoln) Dallas Mustangs
19. Reginald Delk SG 6-5 Jackson, TN (Jackson Northside) Midstate Ballerz Elite
20. Eric Price PG 6-2 (TBD) DC Blue Devils
21. Mike Mercer PG 6-3 Lithonia, GA (South Gwinnet) Nike Georgia Stars
22. Fendi Onobun SF 6-6 Alief, TX (Alief Taylor) Houston Hoops
23. Kevin Swinton PF 6-7 Greensboro, NC (Dudley) NC Gaters
24. KC Rivers SG 6-4 Charlotte, NC (Independence) Charlotte Royals
25. Cassan Breeden SF 6-7 Bennettsville, SC (Marlboro County) SC Ravens
26. Zaronn Cann SF 6-6 Brandon, FL (Brandon) Nike Team Florida
27. Tiki Mayben PG 6-1 Troy, NY (Troy) Albany City Rocks
28. Amir Johnson C 6-8 Los Angeles, CA (Verbum Dei) CA Team Select
29. Antonio Pena PF 6-8 Brooklyn, NY (Lincoln) Brooklyn USA
30. Julian Wright SF 6-6 Chicago, IL (Homewood Flossmoor) Illinois Warriors
31. Greg Paulus PG 6-1 Syracuse, NY (Christian Brothers Academy) Albany City Rocks
32. Tyler Hansbrough PF 6-8 Poplar Bluff, MO (Poplar Bluff) St. Louis Eagles
33. Rousean Cromwell PF 6-9 Memphis, TN (Fairley) Memphis Bulldogs

[Reydituto]

Name 5 people better then those on that list

I can easily name 5 guys that should have been on that list at least above anyone ranked 25-33, all guys I liked at the time. I won't list the ones that went Pro out of HS, as neither did Ben.


Chris Douglas-Roberts - Memphis - a glaring, bright-light omission.
Dominic James - Marquette - Should have been Top 10 on that list.
Jeff Adrien - UConn - Solid contributor the past two seasons even if he's not UConnFan's favorite.
Micah Downs - Gonzaga (then Kansas) - I liked what I saw of him at Gonzaga his last 10 or so games, and he'll only get better.
Tasmin Mitchell - LSU - did more than Rolle at LSU.


That's not even counting guys were were clearly better only through the benefit of hindsight, like Mbah A Moute or Collison at UCLA, Ginyard at UNC, or Fields at Pitt, or even guys like Hodge at Florida, Abrams at Texas and Goods at Stanford who have actually shown improvement over their careers, unlike some on that list.

Props to Ben for taking a shot at it. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it.

Let's check out other rankings:

So, there were plenty of crappy lists that year, what does that prove? :lol2: Aside from the fact that rankings are often inaccurate, no one knew any better, and if anything, the 2005 was a down year.

Again, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I'm done with picking apart that list and attempting to justify an opinion of mine here. It won't be budging anytime soon.

[TucsonDon]

Name 5 people better then those on that list
Huh? You can name five just on ASU, UCLA and Cal.

[bhanson]

Like Rey said, hindsight is a great thing. Props to those who put their reputation on the line, and a Colbert "wag of the finger" to those who call them on it years later.

I know there are many here who think this site is better without Ben, but I miss him, and think this site has a big emotional hole now.

[sparkysucks]

Merkin all of those lists are much better than ben's. it is okay to be wrong just stop trying come hell or high water to protect some predictions that were really bad. I dont know why you want to stand up for them but stop, his predictions were way off. Not personal just facts.

the website is fine. it is recognized by now that you love ben but this is rediculous. there is no emotional hole. just a really bad list of freshmen..... that is making me kind of emotional come to think of it.

[Banana Fish]

very very very few of those best of list can stand the test of time. just look at the nba, nfl, or mlb draft. how much money do professional franchises put into scouting players, yet how often do they miss?

now you kick it down a few notches to incoming college freshmen, with come with even less information, then tell the researcher that you will do most of your scoutings via the internet. what kind of result can someone realistically expect?

btw, can someone tell me whatever happened to ben hansen? i know that he got a stroke, was in rehabilitation, then what?

[UA Direct]

Terrence Morris - once an expected overall #1 became a second round flop. CSI's Ben Eze was once rated the #1 overall draft talent, only to go undrafted. This shiit happens all the time. Darko's go top 3, Players like Arenas go in the 2nd round.

The NBA GM's are so busy trying to outsmart each other so much that they continually let teams like Dallas and San Antonio embarrass them come draft time...

Yup! Draft Diop at #8, let S.A. steal Ginobili. Draft Chandler at #2, let Dallas steal Howard. It just goes on-and-on. The same bad teams gamble 'lotto' style while the good teams just add talent.

It works the same way at the collegiate level. Emeka Okafor is a steal!! Nick Horvack sucks! Arenas is a steal!! Eric Boateng sucks!

Really, how many people on this site had had a chance to evaluate EVERY player, then had the sack to rate them? Right. That's what I thought.

Oh, and I never saw the GodFather movie. I give it a 1/10 for character development, a 0/10 for dramatic effect, etc. Now how lame is that??

[gumby]

Ben's list and their career stats:


1. Magnum Rolle, F-LSU
PPG 4.0 | APG .4 | RPG 4.1
2. Josh McRoberts, PF-Duke
PPG 13.0 | APG 3.5 | RPG 7.9
3. Mario Chalmers, PG-Kansas
PPG 12.2 | APG 3.3 | RPG 3.0
4. Tyler Hansbrough, PF- UNC
PPG 18.4 | APG 1.2 | RPG 7.9
5. Julian Wright, F-Kansas
PPG 12.0 | APG 2.2 | RPG 7.8
6. Jon Brockman, PF-Washington
PPG 14.2 | APG 1.1 | RPG 9.6
7. Marcus Williams, F-Arizona
PPG 16.6 | APG 2.2 | RPG 6.7
8. Shawne Williams, F-Memphis
PPG 13.2 | APG 1.9 | RPG 6.2
9. Terrence Williams, G-Louisville
PPG 12.4 | APG 3.8 | RPG 7.0
10. Richard Hendrix, PF-Alabama
PPG 14.6 | APG 1.9 | RPG 8.7
11. Brandon Rush, F-Kansas
PPG 13.8 | APG 2.0 | RPG 5.6
12. Joe Krabbenhoft, F-Wisconsin
PPG 4.8 | APG 1.6 | RPG 4.8
13. Theo Davis, F-Iowa State (ISU withdrew scholie, signed with Gonzaga)
DNP, injury, then suspended for marijuana possession
14. Ben Allen, C-Indiana (friend of UA guard Daniel Dillon, and fellow Aussie).
PPG .8 | APG .4 | RPG 1.5
15. Dior Lowhorn, PF-Texas Tech
PPG 7.2 | APG .3 | RPG 3.9 (DNP 06/07)
16. Ryan Wright, F-UCLA
PPG 1.3 | APG .0 | RPG .9
17. Greg Paulus, PG-Duke
PPG 11.8 | APG 3.8 | RPG 2.2
18. Mike Mercer, PG-Georgia
PPG 13.6 | APG 3.3 | RPG 4.4
19. Lawrence Hill, F-Stanford
PPG 15.7 | APG 1.8 | RPG 6.0
20. Keith Brumbaugh, F-Oklahoma State
DNP
21. Joe Darger, F-UNLV
PPG 6.0 | APG .4 | RPG 1.9
22. Brandon Costner, F-NC State
PPG 16.8 | APG 1.8 | RPG 7.3
23. Bobby Frasor, G-UNC
PPG 2.4 | APG 1.6 | RPG .7
24. Korvotney Barber, F-Auburn
PPG 11.3 | APG 1.1 | RPG 6.6
25. Rashad Woods, G-DePaul
DNP
26. Sean McCurdy, G-Arkansas
PPG 1.7 | APG 1.3 | RPG 1.0
27. Jessie Sapp, G-Georgetown
PPG 9.1 | APG 3.5 | RPG 4.0
28. Marcus Johnson, F-UConn
PPG 5.5 | APG .8 | RPG 3.0
29. Kaleo Kina, G-Navy
PPG 9.2 | APG 2.7 | RPG 3.3
30. Ray Murdock, G- San Diego
PPG 5.9 | APG 1.4 | RPG 2.1
31. Alfred Aboya, PF-UCLA
PPG 4.1 | APG .2 | RPG 4.2
32. Austin Johnson, PG-Oklahoma
PPG 7.0 | APG 2.8 | RPG 1.8
33. Daren Jordan, G-Oral Roberts
PPG .8 | APG .2 | RPG .2
Wow. What did you do with the other hour in that day?

I think the bumps are interesting, too. The chutzpah of the predictions is only part of it. There's also the certitude with which these predictions pour forth. Ben and TD used to have these epic back and forths about who was right ... right now! It's like they forgot they were talking about future performance.

But as long as they can Rolle with the punches, shouldn't be any harm in bumping.

Plus, they serve as cautionary tales for the next class of Three Kings or whatever.

[bman354]

Ben Hansen is the lead editor for another U of A fan website and it's not Cat Tracks.

[Kjeil]

Hindsight is 20, 20 :)

[TucsonDon]

Let's be fair to Ben here; the only reason Magnum Rolle is #1 on this list is because Nick DeWitz, Nic Wise and Rico Tucker weren't in the class of 2005.