Washington Looks Explosive

[TucsonDon]

Morgan State isn't a threat in their own league, but they're still a D-1 team, and that halftime score is absurd.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/boxscore?gid=200511130630

[Itamicbomb]

Forwards are killing them.

[DCCat]

What, Ryan Appleby only has 6 points?

Brockman 2-6 from the line. Could be a weakness as I imagine he will get a lot of FTs.

No Harvey Perry in the box score. Are they considering redshirting him?

[azpatnca]

Name FG 3Pt FT PF Pts
Ryan Appleby 2-5 2-5 0-0 0 6
Jon Brockman 4-5 0-0 2-6 0 10
Brandon Burmeister 0-1 0-1 2-2 2 2
Justin Dentmon 2-4 0-0 2-2 1 6
Hans Gasser 2-2 0-0 0-0 2 4
Bobby Jones 6-7 1-1 3-4 1 16
Brandon Roy 3-5 0-0 2-2 1 8
Joel Smith 1-1 0-0 3-4 0 5
Artem Wallace 0-0 0-0 2-2 2 2
Jamaal Williams 5-8 0-0 0-0 2 10
Totals 25-38 3-7 16-22 11 69
Percentages: .658 .429 .727

as of halftime

76-29 and they're in the BONUS? that's a lot of fouls for a 47 pt game

[azcat34]

Does this game count??

S.O.

[Itamicbomb]

Yes, it's the first round game in the BCA Classic.

[Ziggiles]

i can't wait to Basnight comes around and states that this wins proves Washington's greatness and that they will win the pac-10, brockman will win national freshman of the year, applepie will be national newcomer of the year, Joel Smith is better then Hassan, Brandon Roy will win the Nasmith and Romar will be COY. And of course they will run away with the NC this year. I mean beating lowly morgan state proves it right?

[Iditacat]

Look at the FT's for each team:

Morgan State--6 for 8

Washington-- 23 for 31

I hope this isn't telling for the way games are going to be called this year...talk about lopsided. And this isn't just because of their inability to guard and therefore they foul. OUr game was something like:

UA 15 for 21

Sonoma 19 for 30

[Zero]

bobby jones is the truth

[Itamicbomb]

You can't look at free throw totals alone and decide that the game is being unfairly called. There is no question that Washington is a superior team to Morgan State; apparently this is particularly true in the interior, where most fouls are called. Didn't see most of the Arizona game, but I also didn't see anything wrong with the officiating there either. Teams that are aggressive at the basket will get the calls.

[Iditacat]

True, just thought it was interesting...that's a huge discrepancy. At least we shouldn't have to worry much about foul trouble this year.

[Itamicbomb]

...and Washington hits 100 with over 8:00 to go.

[ASUHATER!]

its obvious that:

1. washington is faaaaaaaaaaaaar superior.
2. morgan st has not much defense and
3. washington can't shoot 3's 6-19 3 shooting.

hopefully that haunts them this year

[DCCat]

118-51 final.

Looks like Harvey Perry did play, but only minimally.

[TucsonDon]

How come no one believes me when I say he isn't good? He'll be a solid defender, nice role player, but that's it.

[Auercat]

I believe you TD. There's a reason Lute refused to offer him, even though the Perry's were practically begging for an offer at every opportunity. Instead Lute chose to offer Daniel Dillon almost site unseen. That tells me everything I need to know.

Bearing Down on Never Being Sold on Perry

Auercat

[ByJoveByJingle]

Washington is one of those kinds of teams that destroys inferior competition. We saw it last year . . . and watched them run up the score, too. I will take nothing from this game--and will take nothing from any game they play until the competition increases.

[UA Direct]

Washington is one of those kinds of teams that destroys inferior competition. We saw it last year . . . and watched them run up the score, too. I will take nothing from this game--and will take nothing from any game they play until the competition increases.

Arizona let the air out of the ball in the 2nd half of their game. UW just poured it on.

I'm impressed by 14 pts and 6 boards on 70% shooting in 18 minutes by a guy who had his schollie pulled. :rolleyes:

[drizzy]

Washington can't shoot 3's based on a one game sample. I'm sure all the stats from this one game will hold true as a measure of UW's strengths and weaknesses throughout the year. No matter that in an exhibition game just a couple days ago Appleby hit 6-10 from beyond the arch, and was 3-3 until he started heaving them from half court in junk time. I remember a certain S. Stoudamire going 1-for-fricking-9 in his first start against Northern Arizona a couple years back. That sure played out as a truly consistent measure of his 3 point ability over his career. You're better than this.

[ASUHATER!]

Washington can't shoot 3's based on a one game sample. I'm sure all the stats from this one game will hold true as a measure of UW's strengths and weaknesses throughout the year. No matter that in an exhibition game just a couple days ago Appleby hit 6-10 from beyond the arch, and was 3-3 until he started heaving them from half court in junk time. I remember a certain S. Stoudamire going 1-for-fricking-9 in his first start against Northern Arizona a couple years back. That sure played out as a truly consistent measure of his 3 point ability over his career. You're better than this.

ooh im sorry to have questioned the greatness of UW and their program. appleby is god and will easily outshoot everyone this year. and was i saying that they suck on 3's and thats what will happen? no. i was saying that hopefully that would be a recurring trend. could happen. could not. no one can say yet. but i can assure you that you dont know what youre talking about. good luck with that 5th place in the pac this year :)

[the goat]

There is no excuse for Apple to not get any less than 40 points and 20 assists on 25/21 shooting. Don't ask me how it works it just does.

[drizzy]

We totally poured it on by playing potter for 5 min, wallace for 23, Gasser for 18, Burmeister for 14. Sounds like we played our starters, oh, about half the game. You guys are all better than this.

[ASUHATER!]

whats with the "youre better than this" line anyway? and oh yea we play teams like Kansas/Gonzaga/Michigan St. to open the season not Morgan St. im sure we would play all of our guys for the same amount of time against inferior opponents too :)

[the goat]

Dude guys come on it is freaking Ryan Appleby. If he was playing for Morgan State he would have led them to victory by 25 points with one hand while eating a hotdog with extra relish.

[drizzy]

Here we go again. Another UofA fan who retorts by totally spinning a legitimate response. You are quoted as stating that its "obvious" that "washington can't shoot 3's". I was responding to that statement. That sounded pretty certain, even you follow it up with "hope that haunts them this year". I am not trying to argue the dominance of UW. Where did you get that? Try not to exagerrate my posts. I am confident that you have the intelligence to understand what I really posted, i.e. that you can't just write them (UW) off yet as being poor perimeter shooters- and that people have off nights, like Salim did a couple years back. It was a very simple post. Try not to let it blow your skirt up so much.

[ASUHATER!]

lol the only person getting bent out of shape is you my friend. i was just simply stating a fact that washington could not shoot 3's today. i was hoping that this could be a recurring trend in the future, as i have already stated. nowhere did i imply that washington can't shoot 3's or that they never will shoot 3's as a team. i was just noting things from the game today and hoping that they would continue so that you guys go back to your respective spot in the pac 10. see. its very simple. no spin from me at all. just plain simple facts and observations with no malcontent meant toward you.

[Ziggiles]

Here we go again. Another UofA fan who retorts by totally spinning a legitimate response. You are quoted as stating that its "obvious" that "washington can't shoot 3's". I was responding to that statement. That sounded pretty certain, even you follow it up with "hope that haunts them this year". I am not trying to argue the dominance of UW. Where did you get that? Try not to exagerrate my posts. I am confident that you have the intelligence to understand what I really posted, i.e. that you can't just write them (UW) off yet as being poor perimeter shooters- and that people have off nights, like Salim did a couple years back. It was a very simple post. Try not to let it blow your skirt up so much.


... you beat MORGAN STATE:rolleyes: ... please go home until you play a real team... for FuKc's sake!:smooch:

So lame man.

[drizzy]

Don't get me mixed up with Basnight or whoever the guy's name is that you hate. NO WHERE DID I ARGUE APPLEBY IS GOD OR THAT UW IS TOTALLY DOMINANT. Get over it. You guys are way, way too sensitive here. I realize that maybe I am responding to kids. That is a problem with message boards- you don't really know anything about who you're talking to. If so, just let me know and I'll let it go. But if you are adults...yikes. Lets try to use our common sense here.

[ASUHATER!]

Don't get me mixed up with Basnight or whoever the guy's name is that you hate. NO WHERE DID I ARGUE APPLEBY IS GOD OR THAT UW IS TOTALLY DOMINANT. Get over it. You guys are way, way too sensitive here. I realize that maybe I am responding to kids. That is a problem with message boards- you don't really know anything about who you're talking to. If so, just let me know and I'll let it go. But if you are adults...yikes. Lets try to use our common sense here.

driz we know you arent basnight because your comments aren't as completely moronic as his. there is some truth to them and i respect that. its just the swagger and attitude that allll washington fans (yes you too) have because of their 3 years of good b-ball. its just that we like to make fun of appleby and things like that because it is..well..fun. and it is our message board.

"you dont really know anything about who you are talking to"

I am a UA student. there ya go. we're not sensitive, we just like our basketball team and like to defend it. no problem there. and i have been using common sense all along. there ya go again. good night sir.

[Ziggiles]

Don't get me mixed up with Basnight or whoever the guy's name is that you hate. NO WHERE DID I ARGUE APPLEBY IS GOD OR THAT UW IS TOTALLY DOMINANT. Get over it. You guys are way, way too sensitive here. I realize that maybe I am responding to kids. That is a problem with message boards- you don't really know anything about who you're talking to. If so, just let me know and I'll let it go. But if you are adults...yikes. Lets try to use our common sense here.


You do realize that no one cares about UDub around here until they beat someone for real, no cupcakes but a legit team, once that happens by all means start parading all around, stating how great your team is but ITS MORGAN STATE MAN! C'MON! People are irritated by a Washington fan stating how great a team is when they haven't done much of anything. Imagine an Arizona fan coming on to a Washington board and stating we aren't going to have any problems replacing Salim's three point shooting because Hassan was stroking it from deep against Sonoma State and Chris Rodgers was 5-5 from deep, its asinine.:smooch:

[the goat]

Ok now I am getting confused. We only have 2 resident Udub fanatics. Now both are claiming they didn't say Apple is god, but yet I remember reading the posts quite vividly.

On a actual discussion note Udub will probaly not be as effective from deep as last year for the simple fact is you are gonna get worse after losing a guy like Simmons. Guy was imo the second best bomber in the country last year and really helped you guys spread the floor so your wings could drive to the hoop. I'm sure you guys will still make 3's from deep but I just don't think you will be as good as years past.

[drizzy]

I'm not gloating over Morgan state. The outcome was determined the second they scheduled us. I'm simply saying that ASUHATER wrote: "Its obvious that UW can't shoot the 3" and now he's spinning my replies to him, like I'm over here cracking champagne bottles, ecstatic over our victory over MS. And I'm glad your preseason schedule is kind of difficult this year, at least more so than ours. But big deal. Last year, our preseason schedule put yours to shame. (Gonzaga, Oklahoma, Alabama, Utah). How soon they forget....

[TucsonDon]

Drizzy isn't saying anything wrong and people in here are getting real defensive. Can't have it both ways...if you want to give Appleby **** for not shooting better, then you've got to say that Washington looked great and has a chance to do great things this season. Both of those things are silly to argue about after one game. I posted this because its not every day you see a blowout like this, but it seems like some of you are a little uptight about Washington...and its only November. This thread shouldn't turn into a war; it doesn't have the juice for it.

[ASUHATER!]

i will say this: you will hurt without simmons. that guy was awesome. i saw all 3 of washington's games in the pac 10 tourney (actually i saw all 7 games of the tourney in person..sweeeeeet time). that boy could launch it and it will be missed.

[ASUHATER!]

Drizzy isn't saying anything wrong and people in here are getting real defensive. Can't have it both ways...if you want to give Appleby **** for not shooting better, then you've got to say that Washington looked great and has a chance to do great things this season. Both of those things are silly to argue about after one game. I posted this because its not every day you see a blowout like this, but it seems like some of you are a little uptight about Washington...and its only November. This thread shouldn't turn into a war; it doesn't have the juice for it.

i didn't mean for it to either td, washington will do good things this year and it will only help the pac 10. and nobody was giving appleby shiit for shooting, we just give him shiit in general :p

[Ziggiles]

But big deal. Last year, our preseason schedule put yours to shame. (Gonzaga, Oklahoma, Alabama, Utah). How soon they forget....

We played Wake forest, Utah, Michigan, Mississippi St, Marquette (when they had Diener), i wouldn't say that your preseason schedule put ours to shame by anymeans.

[Josh Gershon]

This board is quickly turning from anti-UCLA to anti-Washington. December 31st can't get here soon enough.

[ASUHATER!]

i agree. i was raised on ucla so i dont mind them at all. i am thinking about grad school at uw though...ahhh what am i gonna do??? oh yea. hate stanford

[drizzy]

That's fine. You think we're worse off without Simmons (from beyond the arch). Cool. I can get behind that. But again, I've never said anything about Appleby. Nor have I ever argued that we're going to be better from beyond the arch without simmons. Can't tell, its too early. I've heard great things about appleby, but like the one guy likes to write in bold 64 font, its morgan state. Please don't interpret me simply questioning someone's logic as an assertion that UW is the greatest bball team of all time. I don't spin your guy's posts that way, so I don't see why you're spinning mine. Gotta get going but if you look back I made two points ONLY: 1) too early to tell about appleby, and 2) sorry if we buried MS but our starters only played half the game. I guess it sucks we blew them out so bad but we aren't allowed by NCAA rules to substitute in our cheerleaders. Peace.

[the goat]

Dude "Pie" just got a little hyped up to much so now he's an easy target. I plan on giving the dinner "ROLL" fanatics **** too. Honestly nobody brought up his shooting besides you in one of your initial posts in this thread. Udub will be fine this year. Especially if Jones and company come out guns blazing like this. You probaly won't be as exciting to watch now that you aren't sending 5 athletes to the glass but you will be still be effective.

[drizzy]

I just don't remember this 'Hype'. All anyone talks about in seattle in relation to UW bball newcomers is brockman. If anyone had some hype coming in, i could only imagine it to be brockman. Not necessarily undeserved hype, but hype nonetheless. Appleby's transfer here a couple years back was not frontpage news.

I don't know about the less talent beyond the arch argument. Could be, I guess. But I do know we will be shooting less from beyond the arch because we have guys who love the paint and playing physical. I see our game being much more interior oriented.

I also don't know about the board crashing. 5 guys crashing the boards is Romar bball, not a product of being smaller. Both games so far rebounds have been fairly evenly distributed just like last year, and they are ruling the offensive glass (lots of put backs). Some things will change from last year but, so far, this is remaining the same.

[UA Direct]

The Appleby hype actually came from PomPomPizzy, AKA Reese...

This thread belongs in the 'piss fight forum'.

I'm checking out - don't want sprayed by an errant stream.:rolleyes:

[TucsonDon]

Other than the fact that they won by 68, the most amazing stat was them forcing 36 turnovers. That's insane for a college game, and it would appear that Romar is employing a press with all the young athletes he has on the team.

[UWFiddler]

FYI Harvey Perry is having some back problems so he didn't play.

[Iningo_Montoya]

Appleby's 1/4 Assist to TO ratio against Morgan St. is not looking good for a PAC-10 level point guard.

[DCCat]

Appleby's 1/4 Assist to TO ratio against Morgan St. is not looking good for a PAC-10 level point guard.
True. My vague recollection of him is that he's kind of a fancy high-risk ball-handler, somewhat like Jason Williams (White Chocolate), so he's going to commit turnovers. However, with UW making as many shots as they did, you'd think Appleby would get 4 or 5 assists just by passing the ball to anybody.

Impressively, though, UW had 32 assists on 44 baskets. Dentmon had 8 and Roy 6. Not as impressively, they had 19 turnovers of their own, mostly by the regulars, so it wasn't just in pure garbage time at the end of the game. But they actually had more steals (23!) than turnovers. Their quickness and athleticism obviously overwhelmed Morgan St. Basically, anytime you force twice as many turnovers as the opposition and grab twice as many offensive rebounds, you are going to win by a lot unless you shoot 30%.

Brockman went for 17 pts, 10 rebs (5 off), 4 assists, and 4 steals. An auspicious debut, even if it was ONLY MORGAN ST.

[Aca]

...because it is pretty weak.
they were supposed to have a two-year agreement with UNC, and UNC was going to come out to seattle this year and UW would have gone to chapel hill in '07. it was all predicated on marvin williams statying in school though (so he could "come home" and play at UW).
and the other factor is that the wooden classic didn't pull it's normal strong field this year, so we're stuck playing New Mexico.
the only tough opponent will be gonzaga, unfortunately.

[Jim Basnight]

I never said Appleby was going to be all-world, or whatever that means.

I said that he would play a big part in UW ending up 2nd in the Pac-10 to Stanford, which I stand by regardless of the fact that they just layed an egg against Irvine.

Unlike folks that run and hide when their predictions become unpopular, I am sticking with mine.

I did also predicted that Appleby would be newcomer of the year in the Pac-10, which I also predicted for Tre Simmons in his first year, two years ago, to a whole lot of guffaws and catcalls.

Why would a player that picked UW over South Alabama be any good?

He played a huge part of the run that got UW into the tourney after starting off 0-5, but he was only Pac-10 honorable mention, so I guess that I was wrong there.

I was pretty much on the money about Tre being a force though as he was first team all Pac-10 last year.

Now I'm hearing it about Appleby.

Dentmon is the starter because he is a better fit to play high pressure and pass first than Ryan, which is what the coaches want out of the gate.

As far as shooting there is no comparison, though Dentmon isn't poor.

I think both guys will see long minutes along with Joel Smith, but Roy and Jones will be the guys seeing the most.

Brockman is for real and all of you here on this board who made fun of me when I said that he would be ready this year, please stand up and be counted.

That way I can shoot you down one by one, when you actually see him play.

[the goat]

Jim, Appleby is god. Honestly I haven't seen a sweeter shot since that load Jenna Jameson took to her chin.

Edit: Jim, Washington players will be evaluated when they play someone remotely decent. These fluffer schools make even the average basketball players look good. That said we will see how Udub does against the Zags this year. Should be a good game. Can't wait to see that Brockman vs Batista matchup.

[Jim Basnight]

I've seen a lot of the UW guys playing over the summer, but they really haven't played anyone that I know is good. I don't care if pick-up games have guys like Hawes and Jamal Crawford involved, they are really meaningless.

Air Force looked like they played well and their system is strong. They looked good beating Miami, but the GU game and let's not forget the UNM game at the Wooden classic should actually give people a better idea. Congrats on the win against KU. I don't like them much for a variety of reason.

I used to like them, but the CJ Giles thing and Micah Downs are enough to turn my stomach. I've heard a lot of dirt about the way that they are doing things, but it's all trash until someone actually comes up with a smoking gun.