Pac-10 Defensive POY

[xethw]

Is there anyone in the running for this other than Chris Rodgers? No just on our team, but throughout the league. I can't think of another defender that would get a vote.

[azcat49]

Their are several from ASU

[Batpig]

Is there anyone in the running for this other than Chris Rodgers? No just on our team, but throughout the league. I can't think of another defender that would get a vote.

Aaron Afflalo is a lock down defender. He gets the other team's best scorer every week.

[UWFiddler]

Bobby Jones

[TroJon]

Ryan Francis, our tenacious little freshman PG.

Fight On!

[MrBug708]

It's hard to do that when PAC-10 player hasnt even started...

[Jim Basnight]

Bobby Jones

[WildcatPaulG]

It's not close in your eyes, because you're a homer, Assnight.

[Jim Basnight]

He sure looks like he's got what it takes. I realize that AZ has been playing some great defense as well, but who on the 'Cats is playing better than Bobby? I might be a homer, but I'm not out of line with this and have been more on the mark than most this year.

[Chicat]

I'm not out of line with this and have been more on the mark than most this year.
Is this where you demand another apology from the board? :rolleyes:

[beardownbaby]

Soon, we'll all read this from Jim Basnight:

Not to toot my own horn, but I am smarter than Einstein could ever dream, Nostradamus ain't got nothin' on me, I created more wonderful anaysles than God did continents, and I deserve the Nobel Prize for Overall Greatness.

Ryan Appleby for Heisman!!

[WildcatPaulG]

Tyler, you're giving Assnight too much credit. There's no way he'd have anywhere near the proper punctuation and grammar that you have displayed in that post.

[haji81872]

The Pac-10 defensive player of the year on a team that has given up over 70 points a game this season against mediocre at best competition? Wow, the rest of that team must really suck defensively.

[Flipper]

He sure looks like he's got what it takes. I realize that AZ has been playing some great defense as well, but who on the 'Cats is playing better than Bobby? I might be a homer, but I'm not out of line with this and have been more on the mark than most this year.

Udub's played one topflight team to date, Gonzaga. How many points did Adam Morrison scored on the Huskies again?

[WildcatPaulG]

How many points did Adam Morrison scored on the Huskies again?

How many minutes were Batista and Ravio missing for in the game as well, due to injuries and benching? Exactly... and UW still barely won... Assnight, your SOS is at #131. If you don't play Gonzaga, you're easily looking at a sub-200 SOS and being undefeated through that is nothing to ask for an apology on. Ask ASU.

I'm not buying UW at all, guys. Not until they beat a team in the Top 25 that is at full strength for the majority of the game. Not even if you lent me money to buy them. They've lost the heart and soul of that team and while they are playing better than what they though, who's going to help them take over a game when need be? Oh... Nate Rob isn't there anymore. Tre Simmons isn't there anymore. They don't have that emotional spark to motivate them and will them to beat teams that, on paper, they shouldn't beat.

[Jim Basnight]

1. If you don't have enough class and maturity to give me any credit after bombing on me when you were wrong and I was right that's great. I do have enough class and maturity to do that and those here that do I respect a great deal more than those that don't.
2. I think it's right on to give me crap about Appleby. I gave him a lot of hype in the summer. That said he's a very nice puzzle piece for UW and an important part of their overall balance. I hope that I'm right about him being a huge success at the Pac-10 level, if not this year, hopefully in his JR and SR years. I'm not ready to write him off this year either. I would not be surprised if he caught fire in league play and did get the newcomer of the year award. Who else is there to speak of? Will it be Atuahene from ASU? How about Omar Wilkes, Ivory Clark, Ivan Johnson, Abdoulaye Ndiaye or Wesley Washington? By the way, if AZ had anyone that could shoot the 3 consistently they would be a much better team right now, though they are a very good one to begin with.
3. UW is playing great defense, though they are giving up a ton of points. They are winning games by a ton more than anyone else in the league, though I agree there is no way you can get excited about some of the wins they have, even though they looked good in those games, as opposed to playing down to teams. I'm judging Bobby by the way he plays team D, his individual defensive skills and what he helps create on the floor. The number of possessions has to be taken into account when evaluating a team’s defensive ability. Yes, UW is winning big, but giving up points, but they are causing turnovers at a very high rate (like AZ) and capitalizing off those much better than any other team in the league.
4. Gonzaga is a great team. If you can't see that by watching them, I wonder if you know what a great basketball team is. They consistently play down to their competition, but they always play well enough to be in a position to beat everybody they face and the vast majority of times they get it done. Some of their games will slip away by a bounce of the ball, like UW (on the road) and UConn (third game in a row against tough competition and with overtimes to boot), some they will win with a bit of luck, like Oklahoma State and EWU tonight. In most of the games that they play down to opponents; they are in much more control than it seems. UW overcame an unreal effort from Morrison and the whole Zag team to get that win and anyone that saw it knows that the Dawgs effort was noteworthy and very special.
5. Sorry for my occasional bad punctuation and grammar. I'm a slave to spell check, but I don't always take the time to use it.

[Flipper]

[QUOTE=Jim Basnight]
UW is playing great defense, though they are giving up a ton of points. QUOTE]

Come again? I thought the basic measuring stick of great defense is holding down points. You almost made me spill my coffee with that one.

Maybe your mistaking outrunning and outgunning inferior opponents (for the most part) as playing great defense? If you want, why don't you research the FG % of the Huskies' opponents. If you can back up your arguments with facts like that, then maybe we'll listen.

Also, you never did answer the question on how many points AMo scored against the Huskies.

[Jason Scheer]

Great teams dont play down to the level of their competition..they crush teams

[Jim Basnight]

I'm not that interested in going into all of the stats.

If you want to dig them up go ahead and wave them in my face. I think you will find that they will back up my case much more than refute it.

Playing good defense is key and UW has definitely done that this year.

It is the cornerstone that their success is based on.

AZ, though they have some very real problems in the post and on the perimeter on offense, has a great shot to do well in the league because they have great athletes and are able to play specatacular defense.

I do think that you can play great defense and give up 70 points, if you are scoring over 95 per game and leading the nation in scoring.

Moving the ball at that pace and allowing your opponent so many possesions, is bound to give up points to a decent team, but if you are winning games that convincingly, you are playing good defense.

[catgrad97]

Right now, Hassan Adams>Bobby Jones. At both ends of the court.

[Itamicbomb]

I can buy the give up 70 points/game is good defense if you give the other team a lot of possessions argument.

However, Washington is 183rd in the nation in field goal percentage defense, so they're not exactly forcing tough shots in their opponents' possessions.

[WayneNewton]

Wildcat fans, Bruin fans, and a Dukie versus a homer Husky - Merry Christmas every one of us.

[WildcatPaulG]

I'm not that interested in going into all of the stats.

Because stats would blow your argument right out of the water that UW is playing great defense. In your little mind, UW is going to win the national championship and we are defenseless to stop it. Every single year with you UW fans... you think that your team is unbeatable and that you could beat teams like Duke, et al by 20+. I'm tired of it. I really am.

And from the looks of it, Bruin fans are too. Reps to Flipper.

[Jim Basnight]

You are trying to tell me that you are knowledgable basketball fans and that the team that is leading the nation in scoring, beating teams by over 25 ppg and is undefeated is automatically not playng good defense because they are 183rd in the nation in FG% defense.

UW may be able to make some improvements in forcing teams to shoot tougher shots, but in a huge number of other categories they are playing outstanding defense.

I think that stat is misleading because UW is forcing a lot of turnovers and wearing teams out, but in the process is giving up some easy shots.

They are also playing their third stringers for long stretches, because they are 30-40 points ahead and teams are brushing up their stats on those bench guys.

I never said UW is going to win anything this year, other than an NCAA tourney bid.

If that's your only defense, to misquote me, I guess you must agree with my point, yet do not have the class to step back and conceed.

I think it's going to be a battle between UW, UCLA and AZ, with Cal and (yes) Stanford able to make a statement here and there.

I know I picked Stanford, which looks pretty bad right now, but let's wait until everybody, including UW plays some conference games to get too righteous about how right or wrong anyone's predictions are.

I agree that Hassan is a better player than Bobby Jones on one end of the court, but not on defense, as good as Adams is. Bobby has improved tremendously and will be the third or fourth option offensively for UW, after Roy, Jamaal and perhaps Brockman in my opinion.

I may be a homer Husky (pot calling kettle, searching for intelligent life), but I wish you all a merry christmas as well.

[Chicat]

1. If you don't have enough class and maturity to give me any credit after bombing on me when you were wrong and I was right that's great. I do have enough class and maturity to do that and those here that do I respect a great deal more than those that don't.
Oh my God, can we get a tampon for Ms. Basnight please???

[WildcatPaulG]

...or at least something to clean the sand out...

[WildcatPaulG]

Check it:

Waaah! Waaaah! Waaaah! My team isn't getting the respect that I think they deserve, even though they've only been good in basketball for all of five minutes, which is nothing compared to the 20+ years of success that Arizona has, but for some reason, I think I can compare the two.

That's you. That's you right there. That's your posts. All the time.

[BibbysTowelDude]

Tell me when Washington makes 20+ straight tournaments, with 20+ staight 20 win seasons, with 4 final fours and a national championship... Okay I won the argument! Just another steal for the University of Arizona..

[WildcatPaulG]

Don't forget... two national championship game appearances... the countless amount of NBA talent we've provided. Even if they claim Dickau, they aren't anywhere near us in that department either.

http://jimbasnight.com/albums/Personal-Album/Jim_Basnight_89.sized.jpg

Wow... just wow... was this picture taken before or after Dokken kicked you out?

[Mustache Man]

Basnight (in this rare case) may actually be right. Washington is 11th in the country in turnover percentage (forcing turnovers on 28.5% of their opponents' possessions), while performing relatively poorly in the other traditional defensive categories (FG% defense, rebounding, etc.).

Yet, UW is 40th in the country in adjusted defensive efficiency (88.1 points allowed per 100 possessions). While they are nowhere near the quality of Arizona defensively - Arizona is forcing more turnovers and allowing about 9 fewer points per 100 possessions - it is interesting to see 2 defenses doing well almost solely on the basis of creating turnovers.

What does that tell us about how important turnovers are to a defense?

[WildcatPaulG]

What does that tell us about how important turnovers are to a defense?

I'm not sure...

http://jimbasnight.com/albums/Personal-Album/Jim_Basnight_87.sized.jpg

...but I'm sure Jim could tell us when he takes five from playing his set...

[BibbysTowelDude]

:roll: We have a freaking Dokken reference, how amazing.. I'm never gonna claim to be a fan of them again..

[WildcatPaulG]

I don't want to point out, but seriously... look at the chest hair...

Aldo Nova would be proud...

[Ziggiles]

They are also playing their third stringers for long stretches, because they are 30-40 points ahead and teams are brushing up their stats on those bench guys.



You have to play someone decent to say that you are a good defensive team, the only true offensive test you have gotten is from Gonzaga, who had the athletes to match up with you, and you barely won at home.

Look who you have played so far,

11/13 Morgan State (0-9) W 118-51 1-0
11/14 Wisc. Green Bay (4-6) W 87-54 2-0
11/15 Air Force (9-1) W 85-74 3-0
11/19 American (3-6) W 99-82 4-0
11/22 Idaho (2-6) W 90-67 5-0
11/25 Loyola Marymnt (3-6) W 112-65 6-0
12/4 No. 7 Gonzaga (8-2) W 99-95 7-0
12/10 New Mexico (6-3) W 81-71 8-0
12/16 Eastern Wash. (4-4) W 91-74 9-0

a collective record of 39-43, but please don't be fooled by Air Force(9-1) which has played a more underwhelming set of teams then Washington including wins over CO-CO springs, western state, navy, Arkansas-PBluff, TX-Pan American, and N. Colorado to name a few. Also considering that you first 14 games are all at home, and 17 of your first 20 games don't leave the state of Washington. Before you make statements that you are a great defensive team, play somebody! Away from home!