Rumor is ASU will have Dave McGinnis, Norm Chow and Larry Marmie.

[PerpEph]

Apparently it is all a done deal and will be announced as soon as tomorrow.

What are everyone's thoughts on this, if it is true? Can McGinnis have success as a college coach? Chow is obviously a proven commodity at the college level and will be able to do well with ASU's offense. But I know people in St. Louis think that Marmie did a terrrrrrrrrible job with their defense, so I'm not sure he's going to do any good. Especially after the really good job Bill Miller did for the Sun Devils this year.

What does everyone think about McGinnis as the new head coach of ASU (if true)?

[SCCat]

If they got Chow as OC, it almost doesn't matter what other pieces they currently have around him as all those other pieces can be changed. Getting Chow is quite the feat...if true.

[MTFC]

After watching Mac bumble his way through drafts and in coaching for years with the Cardinals, I can safely say he's a poor coach but will do wonders for lining up season ticket holders and selling the program. Marmie is abysmal at any level. Their offense will obviously be something else though but that has never been a problem.

[Cubix]

Thats a real good group of hirings.

[ghostwhitehorse]

Thats a real good group of hirings.

. . . if true.

[barringer97]

Canales as QB coach would be icing on the cake...

[PerpEph]

Is it a good group, really? Chow is obviously great, and getting him in any capacity helps, but I'm not convinced McGinnis can be a head coach at any level. We'll see... maybe.

[azhoops]

I heard Jeff Fisher, Dave McGinnis and Norm Chow...sounds kind of expensive...

[ZONACAT]

Fisher is in line to be the next Dallas Cowboys coach, can't be him.

[MTFC]

Fisher would obviously be a coup along with Chow in any capacity. McGinnis and Marmie are terrible.

[Itamicbomb]

I heard Bill Belichek, Brian Billick, and Bill Cowher...I mean seriously, 3 NFL guys?

[ZONACAT]

Has anyone heard the Bill Cowher to NC State rumor? Those Wolfpack fans crack me up.

I still think that NC State might make a run at Chow.

[HermosaCat]

Please someone on this board tell me why Norm Chow would take that position? Seriously, why in the world would he do that? It just does not make any sense considering all of the open jobs in college right now....

[azhoops]

ESPN.com mentioned Cowher to NCSU before the season started...

[bigj]

I'm not sure about Chow, but I heard about McGinnis and Marmie. Decent hire if true, even better with Chow. Obviously they are trying to emulate what USC did.

Honestly, I hope this is true, and that the new staff is successful. I really hate ASU, but it only helps both schools if the other is doing well.

[ghostwhitehorse]

I've heard that it was a can Guinness, a bag Kitten Chow and Larry the Cable Guy, but who knows?

[PerpEph]

Please someone on this board tell me why Norm Chow would take that position? Seriously, why in the world would he do that? It just does not make any sense considering all of the open jobs in college right now....

I'm not sure he wants to be a head coach. Apparently he has the personality of soggy bread and HATES recruiting. As such, he would make for a lousy head coach. He may just be a career coordinator (and a great one, no doubt).

[ZONACAT]

I'd like to think he could get a better OC gig than Arizona State.

Why not Florida State?

[azhoops]

I'd like to think he could get a better OC gig than Arizona State.

Why not Florida State?

Would you rather live in Paradise Valley or Tallahassee?

[ZONACAT]

Would you rather work for FSU or ASU?

Chow has lived in the South before.

[PerpEph]

I'd like to think he could get a better OC gig than Arizona State.

Why not Florida State?

He may like the Pac-10 because nobody plays defense (except a certain team in Tucson, and one in LA), and he may be part of a package deal with McGinnis. It's entirely possible.

I guess that if this rumor is true, we'll know within 48 hours, or so say the Devil boards.

[Itamicbomb]

Has anyone heard the Bill Cowher to NC State rumor? Those Wolfpack fans crack me up.

I still think that NC State might make a run at Chow.

NC State of course believes the best coaches in the country, regardless of all levels, want to come to Raleigh. So...who is the football equivalent to Sidney Lowe? Michael Irvin?

[killervibe]

Its not true. Come on.. Chow is in line for a HC job, does anyone here honestly believe he would go back to the college ranks as an OC for ASU?

On a side note, on KTAR this morning they were discussing ASU's athletic budget. Apparently they rank 8th in the Pac 10 in terms of budget. Thats right, in the Pac 10. Ouch.

Their total athletic budget is $30.5M. They compared that to Michigan which has a $67M athletic budget and how proposterous it is to believe ASU can compete year in and year out with OSU, USC, Michigan, etc on less than half the budget.

[HermosaCat]

bigj: Did you OD this past Thanksgiving....

In what world do you live where it's ok if a$$ U is doing well???
I can only hope that you are %$#@ w/ us here, but your post blows!

[WallyNoche]

Canales as QB coach would be icing on the cake...

You're right B...

It would be just like Steve Sarkisian being hired as QB coach by USC after he coached the worst rated QB (Kerry Collins Raiders) in the NFL the year before...

Great post...:tup:

EDIT: At least Canales had one of his players make the Pro Bowl...What happened to Collins under Sarkisian's coaching? Oh that's right...he got released...

[PerpEph]

I don't care how well ASU does.


As long as we do better.

[AZfootball18]

I've heard McGinnis should be on board and Chow is just on the wish list. I dunno WHY he would want to coach at ASU.

[bigj]

bigj: Did you OD this past Thanksgiving....

In what world do you live where it's ok if a$$ U is doing well???
I can only hope that you are %$#@ w/ us here, but your post blows!

So you're saying you would like to see asu go 0-11 every year? Then the rivalry would be as meaningless as it is in basketball. Do we have nearly this much chatter on the boards around the times of the biannual beatdowns of the scummies? If both teams are good, it only intensifies the hatred. I dont want to have to pity these guys like we do the basketball team that loses to NAU and Portland St.

:herb: = :lol2:
:dirk: = :angry:

[AZfootball18]

um I wouldnt mind seeing ASU lose all their games but hey maybe thats just me

[barringer97]

You're right B...

It would be just like Steve Sarkisian being hired as QB coach by USC after he coached the worst rated QB (Kerry Collins Raiders) in the NFL the year before...

Great analogy...:tup:


Hmmm....

No, it's because you would start posting on the ASU boards.

"Icing on the cake" is not an analogy, BTW.

[Morgan]

Wally is welcome as long as Chow is the OC. ;)

[UofAlum05]

Every College team in America looking for an OC says they are in the running for chow. I gurantee this isn't true.

[WallyNoche]

Hmmm....

No, it's because you would start posting on the ASU boards.

"Icing on the cake" is not an analogy, BTW.

and RK is no longer in Stoop's dog house...:lol2:

[barringer97]

Ah...and RK is no longer in Stoop's dog house...:lol2:

And Canales no longer has a job... :roll:

[Morgan]

Go Angels! I think you guys can agree on that...

[WallyNoche]

And Canales no longer has a job...

He doesn't? You sure about that? I wouldn't hold your breath...

BTW...I thought Dimel was your guy? You blew him so hard a few weeks ago...but that's right...you wouldn't be you if you didn't change your stance every few days...

Waffle MFer...

[UofAlum05]

Go Angels! I think you guys can agree on that

Didn't the owner of the angels graduate from UofA? And didn't he help with buyout of Mackovic's contract?

[barringer97]

He doesn't? You sure about that? I wouldn't hold your breath...

Trust me; I won't...

I just hope that Stoops never listens to Chow again. :(

[barringer97]

He doesn't? You sure about that? I wouldn't hold your breath...

BTW...I thought Dimel was your guy? You blew him so hard a few weeks ago...but that's right...you wouldn't be you if you didn't change your stance every few days...

Waffle MFer...


I think it's funny that you post...then edit...then post...then edit...over and over again.

Hey, how come you stopped posting during Arizona's 3 game winning streak? Oh yeah, that's right, because you looked like a Jack Ass! :roll:

Time to eat crow...


(waiting for the ridiculous Steve Sarkisian reference)

[WallyNoche]

Barringer...

So where's the thread saying that Dimel's your guy now? Afraid to go against the grain are you? You were on your knees a few weeks ago in full swallow position saying that Dimel is the reason for the turn around. Why aren't you running to his defense now?

Meow MFer...

[ZoDogg34]

McGinnis is nothing but a cheerleader. He's a terrible coach. I hope the Scum Devils do hire him.

[barringer97]

Barringer...

So where's the thread saying that Dimel's your guy now? Afraid to go against the grain are you? You were on your knees a few weeks ago saying that Dimel is the reason for the turn around. Why aren't you running to his defense now?

Meow MFer...


Yawn. Wally, your act is tired because you take everything personal and you have reading comprehension problems.

Last time we had this argument (right after the Oregon St. game when you stated that Stoops needed to take responsibility for the team, right before they beat 3 teams as double digit underdogs...remember that? Right after the poll where you stated that Stoops needed to be fired? anyways, I digress) you pulled up quotes that I made that didn't support your argument...

[AzJoe76]

So you're saying you would like to see asu go 0-11 every year? Then the rivalry would be as meaningless as it is in basketball. Do we have nearly this much chatter on the boards around the times of the biannual beatdowns of the scummies? If both teams are good, it only intensifies the hatred. I dont want to have to pity these guys like we do the basketball team that loses to NAU and Portland St.
:

I know you weren't talking to me, but yes. I would like to see ASu go 0-12 every year...The rivalry wouldn't be meaningless. I would look forward every year to see if each year's team could put a bigger hurt on them than the year before.
And I would feel no inclination to pity them, any more than I pity their basketball team or the rest of their collection of thugs, thieves and porn stars (OK, maybe a soft spot for the porn star.) My big regret so far this basketball season is they couldn't manage to lose to Cal State-San Bernedino.

[Jason Scheer]

I don't understand this at all. I really do wonder how they are planning to recruit.

[PerpEph]

I don't understand this at all. I really do wonder how they are planning to recruit.

If it's true, don't you think McGinnis could? For all his shortcomings as a head coach, everyone seemed to like the guy. He could turn out to be like Pom-Pom Pete over at SC. Plus, Chow doesn't have to recruit, McGinnis could just say to an offensive player: "Hey, come play for Norm Chow".

But how much would it cost to get these three guys?

[azhoops]

asu/usc board says
Chow 900K
McGinnis 1.5M
Marmie 400K

[WallyNoche]

Yawn. Wally, your act is tired

No son...your waffle act is...Where's the support for Dimel as OC? Why is it that you cannot stand by one of your post? EVER!

He was your daddy a few weeks ago...and now that he's not being considered for the OC job...your waffle asss doesn't even bring him up as someone that should get the job...

You are such a pusssy...

[Jason Scheer]

It's more difficult than that. Sure it will work for a year, maybe two, but it isn't that easy.

I just don't see the excitement of McGinnisand what the draw is. Maybe he is a nice guy, but there are plenty of nice guys.

I don't know. I just figured that she would go big considering she fired the coach right after he beat the rivals and she gave him an extension.

[PerpEph]

asu/usc board says
Chow 900K
McGinnis 1.5M
Marmie 400K

So ASU is going to pay the Unholy Trinity 2.8 million while paying Koetter 2.8 million? Will the Board of Regents actually go for this? They shouldn't, since Lisa Love ****ed up the whole Koetter extension.

[barringer97]

No son...your waffle act is...Where's the support for Dimel as OC? Why is it that you cannot stand by one of your post? EVER!

He was your daddy a few weeks ago...and now that he's not being considered for the OC job...your waffle asss doesn't even bring him up as someone that should get the job...

You are such pusssy...


I'm a pusssy? This is coming from a guy with Mickey Mouse pajamas? :roll:

[PerpEph]

It's more difficult than that. Sure it will work for a year, maybe two, but it isn't that easy.

I just don't see the excitement of McGinnisand what the draw is. Maybe he is a nice guy, but there are plenty of nice guys.

I don't know. I just figured that she would go big considering she fired the coach right after he beat the rivals and she gave him an extension.

Well, the Devil fans think it's big. They're on their boards jerkin' each other off over it. "Greatest hire ever!"

[HermosaCat]

Barringer97 and Wally Noche are really man and wife so to all of you on this board pay no mind as this is what married couple do...bicker from time to time but at the end of it we really love each other!

[EastCoastCat]

It's more difficult than that. Sure it will work for a year, maybe two, but it isn't that easy.

I just don't see the excitement of McGinnisand what the draw is. Maybe he is a nice guy, but there are plenty of nice guys.

I don't know. I just figured that she would go big considering she fired the coach right after he beat the rivals and she gave him an extension.

...not big, but "powerful" :lol2:

[AzJoe76]

So ASU is going to pay the Unholy Trinity 2.8 million while paying Koetter 2.8 million? Will the Board of Regents actually go for this? They shouldn't, since Lisa Love ****ed up the whole Koetter extension.

BoR doesn't have to cover the $2.8 million payoff. They seem to be raising that from unhappy contributors.

And the salaries for the three amigos, while a little above the local pay grade, aren't totally out of this world. Beside, part of it may come from outside sources.

Ya get what ya pay for.

[T-Bone]

So ASU is going to pay the Unholy Trinity 2.8 million while paying Koetter 2.8 million? Will the Board of Regents actually go for this? They shouldn't, since Lisa Love ****ed up the whole Koetter extension.

Normally, I would think it fair that the Board of Regents let ASSU pay a coach a lot of money if they let UA pay a coach a lot of money, but to let Lisa Love essentially hand Koetter 3 million dollars, fire him, and attempt to hire more coaches for the same amount is absurd. The line has to be drawn somewhere. This is Arizona, not California and money doesn't grow on trees. If were an average taxpayer in Arizona, I would probably take issue with the state giving someone three million dollars to do nothing.

[HermosaCat]

I'm a pusssy? This is coming from a guy with Mickey Mouse pajamas? :roll:

Ok, I'm the king of typos but three "S" to means nothing but goodness w/ regards to the post! Mickey Mouse PJ's...that's for the kids.....B97, if you are not there now, you'll get it later!

As Ari Gold would say...Hug it out!

Peace! Have to shut it down as the little one is raising hell...

[T-Bone]

BoR doesn't have to cover the $2.8 million payoff. They seem to be raising that from unhappy contributors.

And the salaries for the three amigos, while a little above the local pay grade, aren't totally out of this world. Beside, part of it may come from outside sources.

Ya get what ya pay for.

I can see the payout coming from outside sources, but it would be close to impossible to line up capital to pay coaches that kind of money over a term of several years. I have a feeling that Lisa will expect the Board of Regents to pay the full salary, which will only increase as the years progress. So still, I don't see this trio as being a viable option.

[bigj]

I agree, no way ABOR okays those salaries. I'm sure they are not going to approve a $900K contract for anyone other than head coach. I don't think Stoops even makes that much.

[T-Bone]

Well, we know that Canales made around $250,000. So that tells you how astronomical the coordinator salaries are.

[azhoops]

No coaching announcement planned Tuesday
11/27/2006 11:19:52

The new Arizona State football coach will not be announced on Tuesday, an athletic department official said Monday night. "We're not close to naming a coach," the official said.

Internet recruiting sites are heralding the imminent hiring of Tennessee Titans assistant head coach Dave McGinnis and Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow as ASU head coach and offensive coordinator. The latest addition to that rumor, fueled by ASU boosters believed to be in the know, is that former ASU head coach Larry Marmie, Seattle Seahawks defensive assistant, will reunite with McGinnis as defensive coordinator.

McGinnis was head coach of the Cardinals from 2000-03 with Marmime as his defensive coordinator. Chow last worked in college at USC when ASU Athletic Director Lisa Love was a Trojan senior associate AD.

Marmie was 22-21-1 as ASU head coach from 1988-91. He was defensive coordinator from 1985-87 when the Sun Devils went to three consecutive bowl games and won the 1987 Rose Bowl.

Danny More, McGinnis' agent, said Monday afternoon that McGinnis and Chow are "not a package deal" and that McGinnis had not been contacted by ASU. "If they want Dave McGinnis, they know where to find Dave McGinnis.

"I think he's the best choice. Arizona State needs an injection of personality. I believe if Lisa Love and Dave McGinnis get together in a room to talk, Dave McGinnis becomes head coach."

http://www.azcentral.com/blogs/index.php?blog=161&title=no_coaching_announcement_planned_tuesday&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1&blogtype=Sports

[T-Bone]

These "in the know" boosters must be having slow nights at their respective fast food establishments.

[AzJoe76]

I can see the payout coming from outside sources, but it would be close to impossible to line up capital to pay coaches that kind of money over a term of several years. I have a feeling that Lisa will expect the Board of Regents to pay the full salary, which will only increase as the years progress. So still, I don't see this trio as being a viable option.

I agree with you, these three ain't the three. Maybe some are, but not all.

As far as the salaries go, the money comes out of the athletic department budget, not from taxpayers so the board give them some leaway, as long as the AD can make the case they can cover it.

Plus, I doubt the whole thing would come from the department and be subject to board approval.

The head coach may get $800.000 from the deparment plus $300,000 from the TV contract, another $300,000 from a shoe contract and $100,000 from planned speaking engagements.
The total comes out to $1.5 million, but the board only has to approve $800,000.
But still, I agree, that's a whooping amount for three guys, especially when they still have to hire a whole rest of the staff.

[HermosaCat]

Well, we know that Canales made around $250,000. So that tells you how astronomical the coordinator salaries are.

If 250k gives us 3-9, 3-9 and 6-6 then we need to step up the efforts! Chow was making no less than 500-600k in LA. If the rumor is true and he does go to a$$ U then 900k could be very real all considering....
I still like Chow to Stanford as HC...just my opinion!

[T-Bone]

If 250k gives us 3-9, 3-9 and 6-6 then we need to step up the efforts! Chow was making no less than 500-600k in LA. If the rumor is true and he does go to a$$ U then 900k could be very real all considering....
I still like Chow to Stanford as HC...just my opinion!

As Joe pointed out, for a coordinator at ASSU to make that kind of money, boosters would really have to step up, or the ASSU AD would have to make a significant profit. I don't see either happening. If the boosters take the hit on the Koetter payout, I can't see them paying coaches salaries over multiple years. And the ASSU AD making a big profit . . . that's just laughable.

[RichardCranium]

I heard George Mihalik, Bo Schembechler, and Bryant Gumble.

http://rockathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mihalik_drgeorge00.html

[AzJoe76]

Ya know, even if it is these three, these numbers just seem whacked. They gotta be off...I know I almost flunked math, but it just don't add up.

I know there's a lot of money in Phoenix, but that program ain't that popular that I can see boosters picking up Kooter's severance and paying half the salaries for a while.

And especially I saw posted somewhere earlier, ASu's athletic budget is 8th in the Pac-10. Don't add up.

Not to mention, they're still paying off Rob Evans...And I just saw the head of the ASU booster group saying he doesn't think contributors will pony up the whole buyout either.

It'll be interesting watching this unfold.

[RichardCranium]

You are right; it doesn't add up.

I tell ya, they'll for the Slippery Rock Doc!

[AZfootball18]

After watching the video on the front page of azcentral.com it looks like ASU is going to have a very difficult time trying to find the money to pay off Kooter and lets not forget about Evans. I still doubt they are able to come up with the money to pay all 3 of these coaches.

[PieceOfMeat]

I'd like UofA to venture out and grab Chow...but I'm not to "in-depth" familiar with him, so maybe I'm missing something.

[azpatnca]

I know you weren't talking to me, but yes. I would like to see ASu go 0-12 every year...The rivalry wouldn't be meaningless. I would look forward every year to see if each year's team could put a bigger hurt on them than the year before.
And I would feel no inclination to pity them, any more than I pity their basketball team or the rest of their collection of thugs, thieves and porn stars (OK, maybe a soft spot for the porn star.) My big regret so far this basketball season is they couldn't manage to lose to Cal State-San Bernedino.

Excellent post. I agree completely.

[CatMG]

I'd like to think he could get a better OC gig than Arizona State.

Why not Florida State?

why not the Tennessee Titans OC?

[ZonaDefender1]

McGinnis yes, but ill believe Chow when i see it., a retread coach doesnt guarentee success. When chow was at USC.. he had USC athletes and the tradition of USC football, USC national Championships. so he didnt really have to do anything but mold the kids. Chow is a great coach and i would take him in a second. but a coach is only good as the talent he is given. I honestly think ASSU is setting themselves up, they still owe dirt 2.5 million and now there going out spending all this money to get this trio, what if they dont work out. look at Spurrier.. no one could beat him a florida, now at south carolina he isnt getting tossed around like a salad in prison. when he was at florida he had access to florida players, florida facilities. Mcginnis is great cheerleader but he is going to be entering college. and chow really doesnt recruit that hard. im taking a wait and see approach. but another note. stoops needs to nail his OC hiring...right on the head.

[HiCat]

Norm chow speculation: (by USC)

http://www.trojanwire.com/football/norm-chow/

November 21, 2006
Chow Time for the Sun Devils?

We speculated about a Chow move earlier. The talk seems to be getting louder, this time over at the Scott Wolf via the USC FanHouse:

Knowledgeable sources say that if Arizona State fires Dirk Koetter, the top candidate might be former USC offensive coordinator Norm Chow. It's not a big stretch to find a reason, because ASU athletic director Lisa Love and Chow worked together at USC.

Rumor Of The Day [Scott Wolf Inside USC]

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September 28, 2006
Chow on the move?

chow_pro_day.jpgThings are ugly in Tennesse. It can only be a matter of time before the losses build to a crescendo where general manger Floyd Reese and head coach Jeff Fisher will end their heated relationship.

If Fisher goes, Norm Chow likely goes too. But where?

The rumor mill is saying back to NC State or Arizona State. Let's all pray that he goes back to where Philip Rivers came from, and not to a pass-happy Pac-10 offense with a propensity for churning out decent quarterbacks.


---------------

http://www.insidesocal.com/usc/archives/2006/11/rumor_of_the_da_2.html

[ZONACAT]

look at Spurrier.. no one could beat him a florida, now at south carolina he isnt getting tossed around like a salad in prison. when he was at florida he had access to florida players, florida facilities.

Dude, you know nothing about Spurrier. Nothing in that statement is true. Spurrier wasn't a recruiter at Florida, FSU and Miami always took the heralded recruits.

And I'd say he's doing real well at South Carolina. They just beat Clemson and he's a block FG away from beating Florida twice in two years. That program is on the rise.

[at the beach]

YOU ALL LAUGHED WHEN I MENTIONED CHOW RETURNING
There is one problem, its my understanding he is one year away from being vested in the NFL pension plan. If Fisher goes to Dallas, Chow will go with him.
One advantage that Chow has is he is known by the ASU AD when she worked with him at USC. Chow does not like to press the flesh with the alumni and comes across rather quiet. He wants to handle the offense and let someone else take care of the Defense and the Alumni.

Going to be interesting as ASU wants to mimic USC and it has started with their BB program and now they want to upgrade the FB program.

[UofAlum05]

Rumors have it that Norm Chow is about to accept the head coaching position at North Carolina State.

[AZfootball18]

I can see that happening... I doubt Chow wants to be a OC in college again.

[AZfootball18]

Dennis Erickson denies contact but would listen

Jeff Metcalfe
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 5, 2006 02:43 PM

Dennis Erickson told the Idaho Spokesman Review on Tuesday that he has not been contacted about the Arizona State football opening but if he is "would probably take a look. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody did call."

Erickson currently is recruiting in California.

Erickson was linked to the ASU job by a sports columnist in Portland, Ore. The 59-year-old just completed a 4-8 season at Idaho, his first year back in Moscow since 1982-85. He is 149-64-1 in 18 college seasons including two national championships in six seasons (1989-94) at Miami. advertisement


Erickson has coached in the PAC-10 at Washington State and Oregon State. He also was an NFL head coach in Washington and San Francisco.

Idaho Athletic Director Rob Speak told the Spokesman Review that he has not been contacted by ASU for permission to speak with Erickson.

Erickson has four years left on an Idaho contract that pays him $214,643 annually plus incentives. He has a buyout that ranges from $150,000 to $50,000 depending on when he leaves. ASU does not want to pay a buyout but probably would take on one that modest.

His offensive coordinator is Dan Cozzetto, who held the same position at ASU under Bruce Snyder from 1993-99.

Boston College coach Tom O'Brien said in a statement on Tuesday that "I am not a candidate for any job. My focus is on preparing Boston College to take on Navy on Dec. 30."

O'Brien has been mentioned in the ASU search and for the Stanford job that opened on Monday. He also was believed to be interested in the North Carolina job that went to Butch Davis.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu/articles/1205erickson-CR.html

[gsob8]

Man...Norm Chow is a beast


we should get him

[Cubix]

Ron English is the new favorite candidate among ASU fans.


If he goes there they will get Griffen apparently!:eek:















:lol:

[ZonaCats8]

Ron English is the new favorite candidate among ASU fans.

You better be kidding. We seriously need a sarcastic face.

[Zero]

:rolleyes:

[ZonaCats8]

:rolleyes:

oh, okay, we do, I think this should be used more often, especially when it isn't painfully obvious that you are being sarcastic.

[Jason Scheer]

oh, okay, we do, I think this should be used more often, especially when it isn't painfully obvious that you are being sarcastic.

He wasn't. English is a candidate.

[ZonaCats8]

He wasn't. English is a candidate.

That makes me very mad, as both a Michigan and an Arizona fan.

[Cubix]

That makes me very mad, as both a Michigan and an Arizona fan.
Why? Cause they would be good? I truly wouldn't mind if we were both legit top 20 teams. Long way to go for both sides but...

[ZonaCats8]

Why? Cause they would be good? I truly wouldn't mind if we were both legit top 20 teams. Long way to go for both sides but...

More along the lines that he would be going from Michigan to ASU would just kill me, so its a combination of being a Michigan fan and hating ASU

[AZfootball18]

Why would anyone want ASU to be a top 20 team?

[Cubix]

Becuase I would rather the Duel in the Desert get some national pub, rather than be the bowl that decides which team won't go bowling.

[Irish27]

More along the lines that he would be going from Michigan to ASU would just kill me, so its a combination of being a Michigan fan and hating ASU

He originally went from asu to Michigan. It's not like he is a Michigan guy first.

[GlobalCat]

I don't understand this at all. I really do wonder how they are planning to recruit.



Early release program from county prison. Same as every year.

[AzJoe76]

Becuase I would rather the Duel in the Desert get some national pub, rather than be the bowl that decides which team won't go bowling.

I would rather the Duel in the Desert be Arizona's final tune-up before the bowl game, which they should already have locked down before Thanksgiving.

And I would rather it be ASu's final futile attempt each year to salvage something from another losing season, year after year after year after year.