Caption This

[tstein7240]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1912/stoopsab3.jpg

[azpatnca]

Recruit: "I'm also considering Arizona"
Pac10 Coach: "Arizona!" Turns to mom and whips out picture: "Do you want this man coaching your son?"

[BallinestCat27]

Antoine Cason for HC.

[Basketcats]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1912/stoopsab3.jpg

Coach your Hot Wheels are back over here. Come play with them while we lose to A$$U.

[Basketcats]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1912/stoopsab3.jpg

Coach let it go...we need you to get back on the PS3 and draw up a play

[ZonaDefender1]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1912/stoopsab3.jpg

Get Your a$$ over here and quit making yourself look like a dumba$$..

Bearing Down on Cason being the best Senior leader since Chris Mac

[UofAcat23]

We get it, you guys don't like our head coach... this is just going overboard.

[Mr Ed #7]

tstein get bent!!!

[ghostwhitehorse]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1912/stoopsab3.jpg

Coach? . . . Coach? . . . Your fly is open.

[Basketcats]

Coach? . . . Coach? . . . Your fly is open.

LOL GWH :lol2: :lol2:

[Basketcats]

We get it, you guys don't like our head coach... this is just going overboard.

You know...it's not that I don't like Coach Stoops...I do not like the product that has been put on the field thus far. It is coming around, but until a finished product can be put on the field, week in week out, he is fodder for the crowd to do with as they please.

[tstein7240]

tstein get bent!!!

Oh yeah, personal attacks on message board. Yippee!

[uastacy]

We get it, you guys don't like our head coach... this is just going overboard.

Oh yeah, personal attacks on message board. Yippee!

I'm doing my best to keep my mouth shut with all of the crap going on and aside from differing football views I like you guys, but UofAcat23 is right, this is going too far.

The season is over, Stoops is coming back, so LET IT BE!!

[azcat49]

We get it, you guys don't like our head coach... this is just going overboard.


Wrong. we don't like losing to our rivals three straight years and accepting mediocrity.

When he wins we love him. THIS IS NOT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.

This is why Big Ed loves Duke basketball after all. They win.

When Stoops starts doing that (winning) things will change. If they don't things will change.

[PerpEph]

I'm doing my best to keep my mouth shut with all of the crap going on and aside from differing football views I like you guys, but UofAcat23 is right, this is going too far.

The season is over, Stoops is coming back, so LET IT BE!!

It's not too far. A lot of us fans are severely pissed-off after 4 years of our "coach" failing to produce a winning record and being 1-3 against ASU.

A lot of pent up anger and agression, and it needs to be let out. A caption contest with a picture of Stoops is actually really tame. He should thank his lucky stars that he's at Arizona and not a program where he would have been fired last year or halfway through this season.

But instead he's at a school with a possibly incompetent AD, has compiled a 17-29 record, and we're stuck with him.

3-8, 3-8, 6-6, 5-7. Disgusting. Unacceptable.

At a place like Miami, Nebraska, Ohio State, etc. he would have been run out on a train many moons ago.

If we have to put up with his general incompetence, a "caption-contest" thread is actually pretty laid-back. At a real "football" school, the clamor for him to be fired would be too loud to ignore, and people would be putting "for sale" signs on his lawn.

He should give thanks to God above every night that he coaches at Arizona, where a 37% winning percentage after four years is apparently good enough to keep your job.

[uastacy]

I am not going to get into an argument about this and go back and forth. The lack of maturity about Stoops and the program is so overboard and truly disappointing.

[PerpEph]

I am not going to get into an argument about this and go back and forth. The lack of maturity about Stoops and the program is so overboard and truly disappointing.

Sorry, but I'm not going to let you get away with that comment. This has nothing to do with "maturity" unless you want to define that word as "accepting a losing football program while not complaining about it."

People are pissed, and they have every right to be. This is Stoops' ship. His team. His players. His responsibility. And he's not getting it done.

"Maturity" has nothing to do with it. Some of us apparently don't like losing more than others. Maybe those that find 17-29 acceptable are part of the problem, eh?

[uastacy]

I don't think dragging the program thru the proverbial mud on the message boards does any good for anyone. "You" have tried before and it doesn't change anything - our coach is staying.

I was raised to support my teams, and that is what I'm doing. Sitting here and whining and complaining like a 10-year-old isn't going to turn things around. I've never changed my tune with wins or losses as anyone who knows me can attest and I'm not going to start now.

It's totally acceptable to be upset and disappointed, but it's all how you handle it and share your feelings. And yes, the majority of people are whining and acting very IMMATURE.

[AZfootball18]

I don't think dragging the program thru the proverbial mud on the message boards does any good for anyone. "You" have tried before and it doesn't change anything - our coach is staying.

I was raised to support my teams, and that is what I'm doing. Sitting here and whining and complaining like a 10-year-old isn't going to turn things around. I've never changed my tune with wins or losses as anyone who knows me can attest and I'm not going to start now.

It's totally acceptable to be upset and disappointed, but it's all how you handle it and share your feelings. And yes, the majority of people are whining and acting very IMMATURE.

Thank you

[PerpEph]

Supporting a team is fine and dandy, and those who want to act as the ostrich does and bury their heads in the sand can do so. I hope you enjoy your fantasy land.

I mean, why call attention to the obvious problems in this football program when you can just toe the company line and support the current bosses despite their demonstrable mediocrity (and that is a kind word).

It's funny that you should compare me and others to 10 year olds, when the really childish people are the ones who view the current program with childlike adoration and trust. Sorry, but that's not for me. I am calling for something better.

And I also object to you characterizing what I am doing as dragging the program through the proverbial mud. Here's a hint: the program is already stuck in the mud, only it's not mud, it's ****. I'm trying to do what I can to get it out. You who support this current administration are apparently content with leaving it where it is.

It's not whining. It's demanding something better.

[uastacy]

Thank you

No problem!

[azcat49]

Stacey I could not agree with you ...less. Stoops needs to be accountable fo the program and its results.

The facts remain and they are 14-31 against D-1 opponents and 1-3 against his rival.

Their is no unconditional love our coaches receive. Bonvicini and Livengood need to be fired and Stoops needs to be on notice.

My choices are not pony up the dough, which means I cannot support rhe players I do give unconditional love too or write letters to Shelton or post thoughts on the internet.

Seems the best way to vent is to post them right here. As it is I would be glad to fire off a letter to Shelton. Thanks for the motivation.

[azcat49]

Supporting a team is fine and dandy, and those who want to act as the ostrich does and bury their heads in the sand can do so. I hope you enjoy your fantasy land.

I mean, why call attention to the obvious problems in this football program when you can just toe the company line and support the current bosses despite their demonstrable mediocrity (and that is a kind word).

It's funny that you should compare me and others to 10 year olds, when the really childish people are the ones who view the current program with childlike adoration and trust. Sorry, but that's not for me. I am calling for something better.

And I also object to you characterizing what I am doing as dragging the program through the proverbial mud. Here's a hint: the program is already stuck in the mud, only it's not mud, it's ****. I'm trying to do what I can to get it out. You who support this current administration are apparently content with leaving it where it is.

It's not whining. It's demanding something better.

Thank you!

[uastacy]

Stacey I could not agree with you ...less. Stoops needs to be accountable fo the program and its results.

The facts remain and they are 14-31 against D-1 opponents and 1-3 against his rival.

Their is no unconditional love our coaches receive. Bonvicini and Livengood need to be fired and Stoops needs to be on notice.

My choices are not pony up the dough, which means I cannot support rhe players I do give unconditional love too or write letters to Livenbad or post them on the internet.

Seems the best way to vent is to post them right here. As it is I would be glad to fire of a letter off a letter to Shelton. Thanks for the motivation.

Anytime... I'm just trying to let you know what the majority of our fan base sounds like and it's not something I'm proud of.

[azcat49]

I understand and can agree with you to a point. but we have to get results.

I know the spread does not have the right components to make it humm! But coahces have to overcome all kind of problems. Injuries, drop bad calls etc.

The facts are what the facts are. Stoops dug himself a hole with his comments prior to the season and then did it again with his stupid comments about the rivalry. He gets himself out of jail on either one with a win.


He didn't and now he gets the criticism.

Everyone wants him to succed. that would man we have had a great year. it just hasn't happened and he needs to know he must produce. I can't believe he does not pressure the players to do the same. In fact it seems he does it to much as we have heard they do not perform well under that pressure.

[UofAcat23]

Everyone wants him to succed.

I don't know about that...

And I'd hate to think what recruits/players must think when they read threads like these...

[PieceOfMeat]

I'm sorry, but seeing stacy mention 10 year olds just go me thinking about how stoops acts on the sidelines(or his coaching acumen, you pick)...
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/pics/1203uafb.jpg

[tstein7240]

Stacy, I have to disagree with you on this. First, I don't consider most of the posts about Stoops to be "whining" and lacking in "maturity".

I can go through post after post where factual information has been given about his inability to do anything beyond recruit.

To blindly support Stoops and Livengood, even though the facts state they (especially Livengood) are running a once proud football program into the ground (supported by the facts of an awful record and no bowl games for almost decade).

Stoops has done nothing to prove that he is a winner as a head coach.

If he had this record of success at any SEC, Big 12 (minus Baylor), Big Ten (minus Minnesota), and Pac-10 (minus OSU and UA), he'd be run out of town by alums and, as stated earlier, the posts on GOAZCATS would be a small drop in the bucket.

We are a major, large state university in a top BCS conference. Our success is on par with small, private universities with strict academic requirements.

A caption contest poking fun at Stoops' on field demeanor is the least of the issues we should be worrying about

[bhanson]

And I'd hate to think what recruits/players must think when they read threads like these...

I really don't think recruits are going to let fan boards influence their decision.

[ZonaDefender1]

Stacy, I have to disagree with you on this. First, I don't consider most of the posts about Stoops to be "whining" and lacking in "maturity".

I can go through post after post where factual information has been given about his inability to do anything beyond recruit.

To blindly support Stoops and Livengood, even though the facts state they (especially Livengood) are running a once proud football program into the ground (supported by the facts of an awful record and no bowl games for almost decade).

Stoops has done nothing to prove that he is a winner as a head coach.

If he had this record of success at any SEC, Big 12 (minus Baylor), Big Ten (minus Minnesota), and Pac-10 (minus OSU and UA), he'd be run out of town by alums and, as stated earlier, the posts on GOAZCATS would be a small drop in the bucket.

We are a major, large state university in a top BCS conference. Our success is on par with small, private universities with strict academic requirements.

A caption contest poking fun at Stoops' on field demeanor is the least of the issues we should be worrying about

Dead on, people live in a world by not supporting the coach they are a bad fan.. I support the University of Arizona and its well being. and Stoops has shown me nothing that he is here to make it better..FYI the season starts in sept not november

[Chicat]

Oh my God!!! A caption contest! How dare you!!! :rolleyes:



http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1912/stoopsab3.jpg
It looks like Cason is snapping Coach's Manzierre (or is it The Bro?).

[uastacy]

This is my last comment on this and the football program because trying to be logical around here is beyond frustrating, especially when I respect so many of the posters.

It's not the caption contest per-se, it's the attitude and negativity that is so exhausting. Enough is enough. A decision has been made and while many disagree, it is what it is. An argument can be made for both sides as to whether it is smart or not and I think all that can be said has been said.

Reading the same over and over and knowing it wont change things is tiring and quite frankly a broken record.

[LikesMikey]

Next year will be the telling year, if he doesn't produce a winning season next year then I will jump on the band wagon to get rid of him. Until then I will be a supporter because he came into a program that had maybe 2 or 3 players that could have played for any other PAC-10 team. We all knew this was going to be a major rebuilding project from an extremely bottomed out program. It was going to take time, 5-7 years was my guess, to get it back to respectability.
Add to that brutal schedules the first three years, JC recruits not getting into school, an inept offense the first 3 years, inputting a new offense the fourth year and a defensive line that made asu's inept offensive line look like pros. Stoops is learning how to be a head coach on top of all this and I think he has greatly improved over the last 4 years, still needs to tone it down a bit, but I've seen other head coaches around the country that get on the refs just as bad. Those of you that are disapointed with his record just don't realize how big of a task he undertook when he came here and I wish him nothing but the best in the years to come. Next year we have a favorable schedule with most of the tough games at home, an experienced offense that looked pretty damn good when it clicked. If players were transferring left and right I would question Stoops, but they aren't leaving so they must know something.

[Chicat]

This is my last comment on this and the football program because trying to be logical around here is beyond frustrating, especially when I respect so many of the posters.

It's not the caption contest per-se, it's the attitude and negativity that is so exhausting. Enough is enough. A decision has been made and while many disagree, it is what it is. An argument can be made for both sides as to whether it is smart or not and I think all that can be said has been said.

Reading the same over and over and knowing it wont change things is tiring and quite frankly a broken record.

So the message is, "be positive or stop posting."

I'd find it so much easier to be positive about our football team if the football team gave me something to be positive about.

By the way, reading the same crap about how the "real" fans support this team through thick and thin and how we all need to never say anything negative about our beloved coach is tiring and quite frankly a broken record.

Stacy, I don't know why it's so important to you and others that we all think the same way about Stoops and the football team, but don't you think it's a little self-serving for you to think that you've got the only valid opinion that deserves to be mentioned on these boards?

Here's an idea: Instead of telling everyone how they should post and saying that the decision has been made to keep Stoops so we should all shut up about it, maybe you'd be better served to argue WHY we should look positively upon what happened this season and what is coming up next year. Telling someone to essentially "get over it" doesn't do anything. Giving us your reasons why we should get over it (beyond "Stoops is here whether you like it or not!") would go a long way towards turning around the negativity you can't stand to see.

[uastacy]

I have made my points about our problems this year. I don't feel the need to rehash them 1,000 times in every thread. I have said coaching is a problem, but there are other issues working against us that were loud and clear on Saturday.

The message is to stop rehashing the same crap day in and day out. The anti-Stoops fans are loud and clear as to how they feel, but continuing to ask for him to be fired is pointless.

This attacking post is exactly why I have been refraining from posting in the football forum. The minute anyone tries to defend the program, we get ripped apart. Very typical of the boards...

So for the FINAL time, I am DONE talking football for now.

[Chicat]

The message is to stop rehashing the same crap day in and day out. The anti-Stoops fans are loud and clear as to how they feel, but continuing to ask for him to be fired is pointless.
If we were 9-3 and heading to a mid-level bowl, would rehashing how awesome our season was and what a big step Stoops took be nearly as offensive? If not, is that just because it is positive or is it because it goes along with your feeling about the team?

This attacking post is exactly why I have been refraining from posting in the football forum. The minute anyone tries to defend the program, we get ripped apart. Very typical of the boards...

What was so "attacking" about my post? How did I "rip" you apart? Did I call anyone a ten-year-old? Did I call anyone immature? Nope and nope. But someone did that very thing in this thread . . . hmmm . . .

Stacy, I'm sorry that some people disagree with you about how to feel about this team, and far be it from me to tell you what you should or should not read, but if you don't like the negativity then I'd suggest coming back to this board when we actually have a winning season. Until then, I wouldn't expect the views of those people to change much regarding our program or our coach.

[azpatnca]

Stoops is Bob Knight Lite. If he starts winning we'll all take his crybaby demeanor as part of the package. If he keeps losing we'll find it embarrassing and unprofessional - and call him out on it because it appears to be part of the problem.

Now as far as I can tell he's calm during press conferences, he doesn't hit anyone, he hasn't thrown chairs, and he doesn't shoot people so it's not a great comparison, but you get the gist.

Pete Carroll looks down at his clipboard and calls the next play. Erickson looks down at his clipboard and calls the next play. Stanford's coach is so damn calm it's like watching someone meditate. His players go over to him razzled and return to the field in Zen like state ready to make plays. Stoops rants and raves and yells and wails his arms about and carrys on and on about the last play or the last call and no one knows what to do next. No one focuses on making the next play count for something.

He deserves to be called out for it. If he doesn't like it, he should stop doing it.

[Chicat]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/pics/1203uafb.jpg

Sloth love Chunk!!!

[tstein7240]

A hypothetical question for Stacy and other Stoops supporters.

Two years from now, Stoops has posted two 6-6 seasons. Livengood is still around... and him and Jim Click say "Stoops is still our man" (plus the "we can't afford anyone else" arguement that only UA seems to have amoung large BSC state universities)... Do you still stand by him because we are stuck with him? Or, is there a point you get sick of being the worst major BCS football program (eliminating small private schools in BCS conferences) in the country?

Me, my breaking point was after losing to New Mex and Stanford. Some, it was after last season. Some will stand by our coach as long as the AD says he is staying.

What is your breaking point?

[Thundyrcat]

Sloth love Chunk!!!

That is funny! I loved the Goonies when I was a kid!

Seriously though, when are we gonna get a coach that thinks Winning is the most important?

[PieceOfMeat]

Sloth love Chunk!!!
Hmm, i was thinking more...


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/pics/1203uafb.jpg

FIGARO, FIGARO FIGARO, FEEEEGAR-OOOOOOOOOO

[UofAcat23]

A hypothetical question for Stacy and other Stoops supporters.

Two years from now, Stoops has posted two 6-6 seasons. Livengood is still around... and him and Jim Click say "Stoops is still our man" (plus the "we can't afford anyone else" arguement that only UA seems to have amoung large BSC state universities)... Do you still stand by him because we are stuck with him? Or, is there a point you get sick of being the worst major BCS football program (eliminating small private schools in BCS conferences) in the country?

Me, my breaking point was after losing to New Mex and Stanford. Some, it was after last season. Some will stand by our coach as long as the AD says he is staying.

What is your breaking point?

I think you misunderstand that us not bashing the head coach doesn't mean we are supporting him. Lamenting our horrible coach won't solve anything, and it definitely does more harm than good.

As for the Stanford and UNM games being breaking points, that's just emotional BS. Stanford beat USC, so obviously they aren't that bad. Furthermore, we beat UCLA and Oregon, two teams that were better than us. So we lost to 2 teams that we should have beat, and beat 2 teams that we should have lost to. I guess maybe we should have beat BYU, but that was our first game with the new offense, so I personally am willing to let that slide. We didn't have the season I expected, but this team is 1000x better than it was 5 years ago, and thats enough to give me hope for the future.

P.S. Like I've said, I don't care if Stoops is gone, I don't think he's a great coach. I do think that personal attacks from our own fans is going too far though. I mean seriously, the man has a wife and kids.

[Chicat]

As for the Stanford and UNM games being breaking points, that's just emotional BS. Stanford beat USC, so obviously they aren't that bad. Furthermore, we beat UCLA and Oregon, two teams that were better than us. So we lost to 2 teams that we should have beat, and beat 2 teams that we should have lost to.
Sorry Gershon, but UCLA and Oregon (without Dixon) were not better than the Cats. I think it was Dintzer a couple weeks ago who posted that if Arizona beat ASU, it would be the first game they won all year when they shouldn't have. I agreed with that statement then, and I think it's still true today. We got beat by teams we had no business being beat by and we beat only some of the teams we should have. That's not that awe-inspiring.

As for whether Stoops has a wife and kids, I don't know what that has to do with anything. By the time your first post in this thread popped up saying that things had gone too far, what exactly had been said that would hurt his wife and children? Talk about "emotional BS"... :rolleyes:

[UofAcat23]

Sorry Gershon, but UCLA and Oregon (without Dixon) were not better than the Cats. I think it was Dintzer a couple weeks ago who posted that if Arizona beat ASU, it would be the first game they won all year when they shouldn't have. I agreed with that statement then, and I think it's still true today. We got beat by teams we had no business being beat by and we beat only some of the teams we should have. That's not that awe-inspiring.

As for whether Stoops has a wife and kids, I don't know what that has to do with anything. By the time your first post in this thread popped up saying that things had gone too far, what exactly had been said that would hurt his wife and children? Talk about "emotional BS"... :rolleyes:

What's emotional about saying that Arizona fans making personal attacks on Arizona's head coach is inappropriate?

You want to say he's a bad coach fine, I agree. Now what is the point again in 20 threads in which posters continue to whine about it?

Would you say that being supportive of the program during hard times is being a good fan, or would you say abandoning the program until they get better is?

[bhanson]

Hmm, i was thinking more...



FIGARO, FIGARO FIGARO, FEEEEGAR-OOOOOOOOOO


Heh, thinking the same thing, but took too long to do this:



http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7606/figarostoopsus0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)





And if Stoops can't take criticism, he is in the wrong job.

[Chicat]

What's emotional about saying that Arizona fans making personal attacks on Arizona's head coach is inappropriate?
Yeah, using his wife and kids isn't a lame attempt at pulling at the heartstrings. Don't act shocked that we can see through that...

You want to say he's a bad coach fine, I agree. Now what is the point again in 20 threads in which posters continue to whine about it?
I actually don't think Stoops is a bad coach. I think he's hurrendously mediocre. His game day coaching leaves a lot to be desired and you'd think with how much he berates the refs for making calls he THINKS are bad (but oftentimes turn out to be correct) that we wouldn't have an attitude problem on this team. But apparently we do. But the man can recruit and he seems to be able to pull out November wins against ranked teams not named ASU. So in my book, he's got two positives and three negatives, which very much mirrors his actual winning percentage so far.

As for the 20 threads whining about how Stoops sucks, there is one way to put an end to them. Win. If Stoops doesn't like the things people say about him, prove them wrong. But you just telling people to shut up isn't going to do much of anything in this regard. I would have never even posted in this thread if it hadn't been for you and Stacy chiming in to tell people to hush up with the nasty talk. The pic wasn't really caption worthy, but once I heard that we're all poopy people for making fun of our fearless leader, I felt compelled to chime in.

Would you say that being supportive of the program during hard times is being a good fan, or would you say abandoning the program until they get better is?
I would say it's not up to you to decide who is the "good" fan and who is the "bad" fan. And then to decide unilaterally who should and should not post their feelings. I've been supportive of this team during hard times, and what exactly has that gotten me over the past years? The lame, unfulfilled promise of "next year"? Oh boy! That and $1.75 will get me on the El.

[UofAcat23]

Yeah, using his wife and kids isn't a lame attempt at pulling at the heartstrings. Don't act shocked that we can see through that...


I actually don't think Stoops is a bad coach. I think he's hurrendously mediocre. His game day coaching leaves a lot to be desired and you'd think with how much he berates the refs for making calls he THINKS are bad (but oftentimes turn out to be correct) that we wouldn't have an attitude problem on this team. But apparently we do. But the man can recruit and he seems to be able to pull out November wins against ranked teams not named ASU. So in my book, he's got two positives and three negatives, which very much mirrors his actual winning percentage so far.

As for the 20 threads whining about how Stoops sucks, there is one way to put an end to them. Win. If Stoops doesn't like the things people say about him, prove them wrong. But you just telling people to shut up isn't going to do much of anything in this regard. I would have never even posted in this thread if it hadn't been for you and Stacy chiming in to tell people to hush up with the nasty talk. The pic wasn't really caption worthy, but once I heard that we're all poopy people for making fun of our fearless leader, I felt compelled to chime in.

I'm just saying that personal attacks are going overboard, say he's a bad coach as much as you want, that doesn't make it okay to use personal attacks.

All of these threads are annoying, but I don't really care that much about them. However, the man is trying as hard as he can to turn a crappy Arizona football team around, even though he's failing, he hasn't done anything worthy of his own team's fans insulting him. And it wasn't "emotional BS" I was trying to make the point that he is a human being with a family, not some evil robot who was sent to ruin Arizona football.

And I'm not telling people what to write, I'm just saying that posters shouldn't make personal attacks, which I'm actually pretty sure is a forum rule.

[uastacy]

A hypothetical question for Stacy and other Stoops supporters.

Two years from now, Stoops has posted two 6-6 seasons. Livengood is still around... and him and Jim Click say "Stoops is still our man" (plus the "we can't afford anyone else" arguement that only UA seems to have amoung large BSC state universities)... Do you still stand by him because we are stuck with him? Or, is there a point you get sick of being the worst major BCS football program (eliminating small private schools in BCS conferences) in the country?

Me, my breaking point was after losing to New Mex and Stanford. Some, it was after last season. Some will stand by our coach as long as the AD says he is staying.

What is your breaking point?

To answer a serious question and not continue the back-forth of differing opinions, I think next year is it for Stoops. It will be more than enough time to implement his system and have full use of his players.

And again I'll clarify, being critical of our coaching staff is fine. My problem is most often it's done in a less than ideal manner and the same argument is said over and over and over and over. That's all. :)

[bhanson]

To answer a serious question and not continue the back-forth of differing opinions, I think next year is it for Stoops. It will be more than enough time to implement his system and have full use of his players.


This is his system, and this (with a few 5th year seniors excepted) are his players. Senior Cason was a Stoops' recruit, 5th year senior Larsen was Mack's.

Or were you referring to Dyke's system? It certainly showed progress the later part of the year.

[Chicat]

I'm just saying that personal attacks are going overboard, say he's a bad coach as much as you want, that doesn't make it okay to use personal attacks.

...

And I'm not telling people what to write, I'm just saying that posters shouldn't make personal attacks, which I'm actually pretty sure is a forum rule.
So where was the personal attack you were thwarting when you first chimed into this thread and said that things had gone too far?

I would agree that personal attacks have no place on these boards, but I'd wait until I actually saw one before telling everyone that his wife and children are crying because posters are being such meanies...

[tstein7240]

P.S. Like I've said, I don't care if Stoops is gone, I don't think he's a great coach. I do think that personal attacks from our own fans is going too far though. I mean seriously, the man has a wife and kids.

I am assuming you will also go condemn anyone who posts an anti-President Bush comment in the poliitcal forum. Because, well... he has a wife and kids too.

Honestly though, I am not sure I have seen really harsh "personal attacks." People have ripped his coaching and his "sideline antics." But I haven't seen anyone say he is a bad person/husband/bad morals/etc.

One thing we have to remember, when a person accepts the job as the head coach of a major college football program, he becomes a PUBLIC FIGURE.

Obviously, some things are off limits... but I don't see where fans on this board have crossed that line (minus a few randoms). Most the stuff has been facts and opinions of his coaching ability.

Stoops was an assistant coach at Oklahoma. His brother is head coach there. He has seen what REAL passionate fans/boosters do. His wife saw the same thing. He has grown up in this industry. He is a big boy and knows what comes with the territory. And I promise... if these results were going on in the SEC, Big 10 or Big 12, there would be much, much worse things said and done. Heck, "For Sale" signs in the front yard are common for Texas high school coaches, much less major college coaches. Right or wrong, Stoops knew this when he accepted the job and the huge contract with insane buyout clause.

Luckily for him, he is dealing with one of the most passive fan bases in the country.

[tstein7240]

To answer a serious question and not continue the back-forth of differing opinions, I think next year is it for Stoops. It will be more than enough time to implement his system and have full use of his players.


Even if Livengood and Click say he is going to stay? ;)

[PieceOfMeat]

Classic, simply classic(and btw, a MUCH better photoshop job than I could ever do)....must spread rep yatta yatta....

Heh, thinking the same thing, but took too long to do this:



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And if Stoops can't take criticism, he is in the wrong job.

[uastacy]

Even if Livengood and Click say he is going to stay? ;)

As of today, yes. For those of you who may think otherwise, I am not a fan of mediocrity. I just feel we can turn this around next year. And if we can't, then I am all for a change at the top.

[ZonaDefender1]

So the message is, "be positive or stop posting."

I'd find it so much easier to be positive about our football team if the football team gave me something to be positive about.

By the way, reading the same crap about how the "real" fans support this team through thick and thin and how we all need to never say anything negative about our beloved coach is tiring and quite frankly a broken record.

Stacy, I don't know why it's so important to you and others that we all think the same way about Stoops and the football team, but don't you think it's a little self-serving for you to think that you've got the only valid opinion that deserves to be mentioned on these boards?

Here's an idea: Instead of telling everyone how they should post and saying that the decision has been made to keep Stoops so we should all shut up about it, maybe you'd be better served to argue WHY we should look positively upon what happened this season and what is coming up next year. Telling someone to essentially "get over it" doesn't do anything. Giving us your reasons why we should get over it (beyond "Stoops is here whether you like it or not!") would go a long way towards turning around the negativity you can't stand to see.

Justin, thats where i am with it. I love the football team but i dont have to like the coach, i was on the phone this morning with one of the NFL cats who was a good friend of mine and he said basically the same, tomey at least promoted having pride in yourself and arizona football, thats why when crackovic was the coach, i still woke up sun morning, threw on a UA shirt and walked out the house, I will be loyal to UA forever, but doesnt mean I gotta like the coach who drives the bus.. this program is bigger than one man and my problem UA was once a proud program but 9 years no post season, It makes even the most loyal fan bat their eyes.

[Ziggiles]

What was so "attacking" about my post? How did I "rip" you apart? Did I call anyone a ten-year-old? Did I call anyone immature? Nope and nope. But someone did that very thing in this thread . . . hmmm . . .





Nope, that would be way to classy for you.


I know I'm a moderator and I'm not supposed to say these kinds of things, but....

Zig, the answer to your problems lies in a bottle of midol and a box of tampax.

:rolleyes:

http://forum.goazcats.com/showpost.php?p=894576&postcount=76

[Chicat]

Nope, that would be way to classy for you.

:rolleyes:

http://forum.goazcats.com/showpost.php?p=894576&postcount=76

Wow, is it that time of the month again already? :lol2:

Check out my post again Ziggily. I said, "What was so 'attacking' about my post? How did I 'rip' you apart?" Obviously I was talking about my conversation with Stacy.

While you have no problem finding a post of mine where I attacked you and ripped you, Stacy would have a slightly tougher time. Which was my point. I wasn't ripping her. I wouldn't do that to her. You on the other hand . . . well . . . :D

[uastacy]

Wow, is it that time of the month again already? :lol2:

Check out my post again Ziggily. I said, "What was so 'attacking' about my post? How did I 'rip' you apart?" Obviously I was talking about my conversation with Stacy.

While you have no problem finding a post of mine where I attacked you and ripped you, Stacy would have a slightly tougher time. Which was my point. I wasn't ripping her. I wouldn't do that to her. You on the other hand . . . well . . . :D

You know I wasn't talking about YOU specifically... I'm frustated on my end just like you're frustrated on your end. Which is why I keep trying to walk away from this thread, but it keeps pulling me back. Why is this site so damn addicting????!!!!

[ZonaDefender1]

You know I wasn't talking about YOU specifically... I'm frustated on my end just like you're frustrated on your end. Which is why I keep trying to walk away from this thread, but it keeps pulling me back. Why is this site so damn addicting????!!!!

good question!!!
ask this man

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You guys going to the game saturday??

[Chicat]

You know I wasn't talking about YOU specifically...

I do?

[uastacy]

I do?

Oh, come on... you know that... if I was upset with you, it would be via e-mail/text/phone/egging your house... :D

[Ziggiles]

Wow, is it that time of the month again already? :lol2:

Check out my post again Ziggily. I said, "What was so 'attacking' about my post? How did I 'rip' you apart?" Obviously I was talking about my conversation with Stacy.

While you have no problem finding a post of mine where I attacked you and ripped you, Stacy would have a slightly tougher time. Which was my point. I wasn't ripping her. I wouldn't do that to her. You on the other hand . . . well . . . :D

Thanks for the Neg rep. You still have a double standard (above the rules of the board) for yourself. I don't believe you should call people out for personal attacks since you do it yourself. But back to the squabble. Enjoy.

[ghostwhitehorse]

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Coach? . . . Coach? . . . Don't Worry. Be Happy!

[Reydituto]

This thread ... sucks ...

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However, Stacy's comments in this thread are spot on IMO. Constructive criticism is one thing, but really, this thread and others are just a selfish venting of personal frustration by a few vocal posters. None of what the frustrated few has posted in this thread could be construed as "constructive".

If it takes caption contests for some people to get over losing to ASU, then so be it (I think the photos are funny myself), but the constant calling for everyone's jobs when nothing is going to change is as useful as banging your head against a wall. http://www.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconbanghead.gif

GOAZCATS.com ... it's cheaper than therapy!

This is my last comment on this and the football program because trying to be logical around here is beyond frustrating, especially when I respect so many of the posters.

It's not the caption contest per-se, it's the attitude and negativity that is so exhausting. Enough is enough. A decision has been made and while many disagree, it is what it is. An argument can be made for both sides as to whether it is smart or not and I think all that can be said has been said.

Reading the same over and over and knowing it wont change things is tiring and quite frankly a broken record.

That's the thing that bothers me the most. Threads like these usually involve little if any rationality, instead fomenting a poisonous groupthink that brings the board down. Clearly some of you want Stoops fired, and Livengood gone - we get it!

I have made my points about our problems this year. I don't feel the need to rehash them 1,000 times in every thread. ...

This attacking post is exactly why I have been refraining from posting in the football forum. The minute anyone tries to defend the program, we get ripped apart. Very typical of the boards...

Yeah, I got in the habit of just lurking on the boards after the really bad losses. Reading the same thing over and over is not really elucidating. Some posters take a little too much pleasure/relief in posting the same tired garbage over and over and over about Stoops or JL - If I want to read regurgitation, I'll go over to the PGU board, plenty of vomit there. I expect better here.

By the way, reading the same crap about how the "real" fans support this team through thick and thin and how we all need to never say anything negative about our beloved coach is tiring and quite frankly a broken record.

Stacy, I don't know why it's so important to you and others that we all think the same way about Stoops and the football team, but don't you think it's a little self-serving for you to think that you've got the only valid opinion that deserves to be mentioned on these boards?

Here's an idea: Instead of telling everyone how they should post and saying that the decision has been made to keep Stoops so we should all shut up about it, maybe you'd be better served to argue WHY we should look positively upon what happened this season and what is coming up next year.

I'll give it a whirl: Except for a few of the Mackovic holdovers and OuisLay OlmesHay, the players have bought into the coaches' systems, and played with full effort in all the games. Even when the team was 2-6, the locker room was not lost like it was under Wackovic. UA lost 4 games by 7 points or less, and aside from the 1st quarters of the Cal and OSU games were in every game they played. The offense shows promise, and I think it would be stupid to cashier them along with Stoops after one season. The offense returns 10 starters and promises to be better. I think the defense will be faster on the field next year, and can grow with the schedule. Speaking of, the schedule breaks much more favorably than this year does. This year's recruiting class is shaping up nicely in spite of the chaos surrounding this season, and it should yield a few more immediate contributors like last year's class did. This is why I'm looking forward to next season, and why this past season, while frustrating, didn't break me.

I'm all for difference of opinion Chi, and there are many valid opinions expressed on this board that differ from mine, it's just that I'm against exercises in futility, which is what stating "I want Stoops and Livengood gone" over and over is at this point.

A hypothetical question for Stacy and other Stoops supporters.

Two years from now, Stoops has posted two 6-6 seasons. Livengood is still around... and him and Jim Click say "Stoops is still our man" (plus the "we can't afford anyone else" arguement that only UA seems to have amoung large BSC state universities)... Do you still stand by him because we are stuck with him? Or, is there a point you get sick of being the worst major BCS football program (eliminating small private schools in BCS conferences) in the country?

Me, my breaking point was after losing to New Mex and Stanford. Some, it was after last season. Some will stand by our coach as long as the AD says he is staying.

What is your breaking point?

I see all the arguments for getting rid of Stoops, I see all the arguments for keeping him, and to me it's a wash. Changing coaches isn't going to guarantee things will get any better, just as keeping Stoops isn't a guarantee things will get worse.

Let me pose another hypothetical: Say Stoops is fired, and they bring in "Hot Name du jour", and he goes 5-7 next year, losing to ASU in the finale? What's the difference in the end? A false sense of hope because the new guy just started? Even if the results are the same, no bowl game, losing season?

Seems to me the best course is to give Stoops the last year of his original contract, and if he can't get it done, thank him for his time and hit the donors up for a buyout when there is more than a year since paying off the last one, when there is more political and financial will to make a change than there is now, as UA can afford a buyout much more readily next season if need be. This isn't being stuck with him, this is being prudent and patient, while proving to other coaching candidates that if we sign you initially to a 5 year contract, then we'll give you those 5 years to turn things around.

Obviously as you point out, everyone has a different breaking point. I haven't reached mine yet - sure I'm frustrated with this season, but I don't think it's fair to hold the sins of Wackovic, Tomey, Smith, Mason, Young, Weber, Mudra and so on because Stoops hasn't brought this team to a Rose Bowl yet, which is really the brass tax of it all (Sorry, that was a rehashing of what I've said before, I couldn't help myself :p ). I saw enough this season to give him another year to get to any bowl game and contend for the conference championship, and if he doesn't meet that criteria, then it's time to find another coach.

As for the 20 threads whining about how Stoops sucks, there is one way to put an end to them. Win. If Stoops doesn't like the things people say about him, prove them wrong.

That's great, except the next game is September of 2008. Does this mean we have to trudge through hundreds of "Stoops Sucks" threads until then? If so, many of us will be Geese and migrate away from the TSE-DS forum until fall camp starts, when hope has returned in earnest.

[bhanson]

Let me pose another hypotyhetical: Say Stoops is fired, and they bring in "Hot Name du jour", and he goes 5-7 next year, losing to ASU in the finale? What's the difference in the end? .

Just 4 years of "not his fault, those are Stoops' recruits" posts.




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[PieceOfMeat]

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[ghostwhitehorse]

Rey. . .I won't start any Stoops Sucks! threads. . .promise. Even though I think his body of work merits the boot . . (and Rey I am aware of the logistics of why he will be retained as coach for the forseeable future).


I might start a "The Calculator should move to Dubya D.C." thread though . . . :D

[GlobalCat]

I don't think dragging the program thru the proverbial mud on the message boards does any good for anyone. "You" have tried before and it doesn't change anything - our coach is staying.

I was raised to support my teams, and that is what I'm doing. Sitting here and whining and complaining like a 10-year-old isn't going to turn things around. I've never changed my tune with wins or losses as anyone who knows me can attest and I'm not going to start now.

It's totally acceptable to be upset and disappointed, but it's all how you handle it and share your feelings. And yes, the majority of people are whining and acting very IMMATURE.


great post

[haji81872]

As of today, yes. For those of you who may think otherwise, I am not a fan of mediocrity. I just feel we can turn this around next year. And if we can't, then I am all for a change at the top.

Out of curiousity, how do you quantify turning it around next year?