Any truth to this terrible rumor?

[slimcat]

http://www.cactusranch.com/devils/sdmsgbrd/75428.html

Not that I would ever directly believe a scumdevil, but I just would like to know for sure if this in anyway could be true about our bowl eligibility next year.

[barringer97]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Progress_Rate

Don't see anything about bowl eligibility...

[AZfootball18]

Um you got that off cactus ranch... that should pretty much answer your question.

[barringer97]

Per NCAA

Academic Progress Rate (APR)

In 2004, the NCAA developed an Academic Progress Rate (APR) metric that examines academic success on a more real-time basis. One point is awarded each term to each scholarship student-athlete who meets academic-eligibility standards and an additional point is awarded if they remain with the institution. A team's APR is the total points earned by the team at a given time divided by the total points possible. A cutoff score of 925 corresponds to an anticipated graduation-rate of about 50%.

Teams that fall below the cutoff score on a statistitically-significant basis are subject to contemporaneous penalties consisting of a loss of scholarships in that sport. These penalties start after two years of data are collected and normally take effect the following academic year. Teams that habititually fail to meet the cutoff can be subject to historical penalties. Historical penalties may include additional scholarship reductions, recruiting restrictions, lack of access to postseason competition, and restricted membership.

Maybe. This would royally blow...

[Footballjunkie]

I think most people in local college sport's circles know by now Jim Click and UA has been able to get away with so much and protected for so long, they feel as I do that the Arizona Republic has done themselves and their journalistic integrity no good by continually turning their collective cheeks away from some ill UA dealings in Tucson.

Why don't the University of Arizona lawyers or Jim Click's Lawyers go after the website for libel? A quick letter or phone call warning them that inaccurate statements were made could set them up for malicious intent lawsuit shutting them down if they continue to imply that Click or the University has done anything improper.

[Ziggiles]

We are currently appealing our APR scores and in-turn our possible loss of bowl eligibility.

[barringer97]

We are currently appealing our APR scores and in-turn our possible loss of bowl eligibility.

So, as of right now, we are ineligible for the post season in 2008?

Swell. :rolleyes:

[ZONACAT]

If we lose bowl eligibility, Livengood should be fired.

[SCCat]

So, as of right now, we are ineligible for the post season in 2008?

Swell. :rolleyes:

I think we definetly need a comment on this from our in the know web guys. Is there anything to this Josh and Jason? Are we currently (as it stands right now) ineligible for the post season in the 2008-2009 season?

[azcat49]

If we lose bowl eligibility, Livengood should be fired.

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[LuteLoyalist]

If we lose bowl eligibility, Livengood should be fired.

3,2,1...

[sporto]

Getting news off the raunch from a devil fan who supposedly got third-hand info from an AZ booster who is inside the room during coach-AD discussions and then blabs the news to devil friends. Yeah, this rings true.

Bunch of Woodward and Bersteins over there on the raunch.

[barringer97]

Getting news off the raunch from a devil fan who supposedly got third-hand info from an AZ booster who is inside the room during coach-AD discussions and then blabs the news to devil friends. Yeah, this rings true.

Bunch of Woodward and Bersteins over there on the raunch.

Feel free to spread your own interesting rumors. See what sticks.

I'll start....DE is being pursued by the Falcons and is close to accepting the job. It is all hush hush but I got the info from DE's favorite bartender's cousin. He has said to have been seen clearing out his office in the dead of the night. He is gone. Maybe someone should tell their recruits. Heaven forbid they mislead them.

Ziggles knows what's up and he isn't involved with ASU...

[sporto]

I did not see his post when I posted. I put much more stock in what Zig has to say over a devil fan. That does worry me.

Hope it isn't true.

[MTFC]

This better not be true, although it would be par for the course with this current regime.

[UofAcat23]

If this is true I don't want to know about it until after football signing day...

[Ziggiles]

From my understanding, we are appealing the APR, and we are not going to lose bowl eligibility. We will still be short on scholarships, but we will be Bowl Eligible for 2008. (Or so I heard from a big booster in phoenix). Losing the chance to play in a Bowl is a huge mark against the program and the NCAA is not quick to hand out that kind of sanction without a major violation. Think about it this way, if this APR was a real large issue, wouldn’t the media in general caught on to it before message board fodder from the Ranch?

I realize the message boards are were stories break for recruiting and it’s the first place to be when you want a story but this would be a huge issue. The general feeling is that the APR will be higher in the second year of Stoops seniors coming through the system. Its really a non-issue or so is the feeling from those within.

[NewportCat]

Thanks for the update and hopefully this is only a false alarm and everything will be fine. However, it still seems like so much of the news coming out of U of A sports lately is negative. Maybe I just follow it to closely but it seems that in our major sports of football and basketball, there has been very little in the way of good long-term news lately. I feel like I am always waiting for the next shoe to drop

I guess it just sucks in that I dont have any idea where our basketball or football programs will be next year or in 3 years. If you asked a UCLA Football Fan, or an ASU Basketball fan, or a Stanford Football Fan, or a USC Basketball Fan I think all would respond that things are looking good for the future. To me, both programs are on uneven footing which makes it difficult to be really optimistic about the future.

The funny (and sad) thing is that I just talked with a buddy about us possibly being bowl ineligble, he joked that we have been that way since 1998.

[sporto]

What years are we talking about for the APR?

[mensrea]

but we will be Bowl Eligible for 2008

You mean UA will be eligible to be bowl eligible. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[jAZ]

If we lose bowl eligibility, Livengood should be fired.
I've said for a long time that grades were going to be the main in bringing down Stoops or Livengood.

[Basketcats]

So the UA may lose scholarships (again), but where does it say the UA is bowl ineligible in the NCAA regulations?

/assumg of course Stoops can win 6 games

Teams that habititually fail to meet the cutoff can be subject to historical penalties. Historical penalties may include additional scholarship reductions, recruiting restrictions, lack of access to postseason competition, and restricted membership.

I believe that is what he was referring to.

[killervibe]

You guys really think this team is going to be bowl eligible, with or without the successful appeal of the APR?

Dont hold your breath, we still need 7 wins.

[kylecollins]

If you asked a UCLA Football Fan, or an ASU Basketball fan, or a Stanford Football Fan, or a USC Basketball Fan I think all would respond that things are looking good for the future. To me, both programs are on uneven footing which makes it difficult to be really optimistic about the future.

We would have responded the same way a couple years ago. Just becuase fans think the future looks bright doesnt mean it will be.

[kylecollins]

You guys really think this team is going to be bowl eligible, with or without the successful appeal of the APR?

Dont hold your breath, we still need 7 wins.

With the addition of a 7th bowl, IM sure 6 wins will get anyone in the Pac into a bowl game. I highly doubt we have 8 or more teams with atleast 6 wins.

[ezinaz]

That would be highly ironic if we end up putting together a good season...and we were ineligible because of academics

[SCCat]

That would be highly ironic if we end up putting together a good season...and we were ineligible because of academics

It's like rain on your wedding day...

[LuteLoyalist]

It's like rain on your wedding day...

It's a free ride when you've already paid...

[dc4azcats]

It's a free ride when you've already paid...

It's good advice that you just didn't take....

[PerpEph]

A no smoking sign, on your cigarette break.


/Please kill me now for completing an Alanis Morisette lyric. Thank you.

[big mike #3]

Wow guys....^^^^^that was scary!!!!

[ezinaz]

http://www3.telus.net/planetkevin/files/ForumPics/gay_thread.jpg

[Friedrice]

But who wouldve thought it figgers?

[smashmode]

Dont hold your breath, we still need 7 wins.

Well you guys are pretty much assured 3 non-conference wins, thats going to make the job much easier to get to 7.

[Reydituto]

So, to answer the OP ... No. Cactus Ranch is not a credible source for anything, even ASU football. People have to realize that the APR has more of a lag effect than a 1988 Mercedes Turbo Diesel. Positive changes instituted last year in the AD's and the University College's academic support program for athletes won't bear fruit until at least the next report.

By the nature of the reporting, one bad year tends to drag down future scores until that year is no longer part of the report. People squawking about the latest APR (a flawed methodology as it is) never understood that the problems were addressed long before that report was released. I'm betting the next APR is actually higher, and may even pass next time.

[theLEGEND]

Hadn't seen this posted here yet... but it looks like the APR rumors were wrong, wherever they came from.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/blogs/index.php?blog=9&title=wildcats_not_in_big_apr_bowl_trouble&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

"Arizona football actually did well in the 2006-07 report with a 938 score, according to ('Rocky') LaRose, which is above the necessary score of 925."