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WildcatFan8
08-02-2009, 09:01 PM
An SEC Preview Issue? With four different covers? Really? They're not that great, people. They just play cupcakes schedules and talk about how great they are. And this seems to be good enough for everyone to be convinced that they are far and away the best conference in the nation. And it will never change because this perception will always put an SEC team in the National Championship game. Seriously. College football needs to be fixed.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/select/2009-01-01/2009-12-31/dd/1/index.htm

smashmode
08-02-2009, 11:49 PM
An SEC Preview Issue? With four different covers? Really? They're not that great, people. They just play cupcakes schedules and talk about how great they are. And this seems to be good enough for everyone to be convinced that they are far and away the best conference in the nation. And it will never change because this perception will always put an SEC team in the National Championship game. Seriously. College football needs to be fixed.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/select/2009-01-01/2009-12-31/dd/1/index.htm

Football is just a different beast in the south.

zonafaninky
08-03-2009, 03:16 PM
Championships Schools BCS Championship Game Record

SEC -5 Tennessee (1998), LSU (2003, 2007), Florida (2006, 2008) 5-0 (1.000)

Big 12- 2 Oklahoma (2000), Texas (2005) 2-4 (0.333)

Pac-10- 1 USC (2004) 1-1 (0.500)

Big Ten -1 Ohio State (2002) 1-2 (0.333)

ACC -1 Florida State (1999) 1-2 (0.333)[21] (2-4 current alignment)

Big East -1 Miami (2001) 1-2 (0.333)[21] (0-0 current alignment)



SINCE 1998 YEAH THEY ARE THAT GOOD!

WildcatFan8
08-03-2009, 05:13 PM
As far as I'm concerned the BCS isn't an accurate portrayal of the actual champion. We won't have that until there is a playoff system. Who gets in the championship game is based on people's opinions. And people's opinions of the SEC are inflated, so they have a team in the national championship game almost every year. There's a great chance that USC would have beaten Florida. They had identical records, both lost to teams with the same record, only Florida lost at home, while USC lost on the road. But Florida got in because of the supposed strength of the SEC. I'd argue that Utah may have been able to take Florida. Utah walked all over Alabama in their own backyard, who gave Florida all they could handle. But Utah got screwed out of the chance. So until some sort of standard is set for OOC schedules and/or we get a real championship system, I don't buy that the SEC is as good as everyone thinks.

TheCat
08-03-2009, 05:27 PM
SEC is a different animal. Alabama drew 90,000 for a game. It's SPRING (inter-squad)game.

Football is a religion.

LikesMikey
08-03-2009, 06:18 PM
All the SEC games I've watched over the last 15-20 years have been impressive displays to say the least. Far and away the best football conference from top to bottom, not even close.

Winger
08-03-2009, 06:58 PM
All the SEC games I've watched over the last 15-20 years have been impressive displays to say the least. Far and away the best football conference from top to bottom, not even close.

Here's Sagarin ratings going back as far as I can find them:

1998
1 BIG 12
2 BIG TEN
3 SOUTHEASTERN
4 PACIFIC-10
5 BIG EAST

1999
1 BIG TEN
2 SOUTHEASTERN
3 ATLANTIC COAST
4 BIG 12
5 PACIFIC-10

2000
1 PACIFIC-10
2 BIG EAST
3 BIG 12
4 SOUTHEASTERN
5 BIG TEN

2001
1 SOUTHEASTERN
2 BIG 12
3 PACIFIC-10
4 ATLANTIC COAST
5 BIG TEN

2002
1 BIG 12
2 PAC-10
3 SOUTHEASTERN
4 ATLANTIC COAST
5 BIG TEN

2003
1 ATLANTIC COAST
2 SOUTHEASTERN
3 BIG TEN
4 PAC-10
5 BIG 12

2004
1 ATLANTIC COAST
2 PAC-10
3 I-A INDEPENDENTS
4 BIG 12
5 BIG TEN

2005
1 BIG TEN
2 ATLANTIC COAST
3 BIG 12
4 PAC-10
5 SOUTHEASTERN

2006
1 SOUTHEASTERN
2 BIG EAST
3 PAC-10
4 ATLANTIC COAST
5 BIG TEN

2007
1 SOUTHEASTERN
2 PAC-10
3 BIG 12
4 BIG EAST
5 ATLANTIC COAST

2008
1 SOUTHEASTERN
2 BIG 12
3 ATLANTIC COAST
4 PAC-10
5 BIG EAST

Hard to argue with the notion that the SEC was the best conference top to bottom over this time period, just not sure it's "not even close".

catgrad97
08-06-2009, 12:06 AM
It's a known fact that all organized male sports below the Mason-Dixon line have been overhyped to the point of prima facie acceptance going back at least since the end of WWII, maybe longer.

Particularly NASCAR and SEC football. The NCAA treats investigations into Southeast Conference schools like local police treat backwoods moonshiners with guns: hands-off, because it's cheaper and safer.

If NASCAR and the SEC were ever suspended, this country would have another War of Northern Aggression on its hands. I'm not kidding.

Coop Cat
08-06-2009, 12:32 AM
I am a huge fan of SEC football. Easily the best brand of football to watch every Saturday and the best college broadcast crew I think (CBS).

BlueMikey
08-06-2009, 02:21 AM
Re the Sagarin ratings Winger posted: That could very well just be the product of the SEC having some real dogs over the years (namely, Vandy, Kentucky, and Mississippi State). Even if the teams at the top of the SEC had the benefit of playing those teams, perhaps unfairly, that doesn't necessarily mean that those teams at the top aren't really, really good.

What I hate most is when the SEC tries to assert it is worthwhile in other sports. SEC basketball = sh*t.

The NCAA treats investigations into Southeast Conference schools like local police treat backwoods moonshiners with guns: hands-off, because it's cheaper and safer.

Says the fan of a team in the same conference as USC. :)

catgrad97
08-06-2009, 02:30 AM
What I hate most is when the SEC tries to assert it is worthwhile in other sports. SEC basketball = sh*t.

And yet Lute never could solve LSU or Alabama. I agree with you for the most part, just sayin' that maybe Sir Charles was right about "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'!" when it comes to Southeastern Conference basketball.

Of course, now the conference is trying to extend its hype to baseball and softball. The ridiculous amount of subregionals their average teams host alone would warrant an investigation.

Says the fan of a team in the same conference as USC. :)

In the eyes of the NCAA, ALL the teams in the SEC (except maybe Vanderbilt) are USC.

Winger
08-06-2009, 08:53 AM
Re the Sagarin ratings Winger posted: That could very well just be the product of the SEC having some real dogs over the years (namely, Vandy, Kentucky, and Mississippi State). Even if the teams at the top of the SEC had the benefit of playing those teams, perhaps unfairly, that doesn't necessarily mean that those teams at the top aren't really, really good.

Agree with this.

When I did that Pac 10 SEC Comparison last season one of the conclusions I reached, is that overall rank is affected by exactly what you wrote above (but it does matter, you can't just ignore the bottom of the conference when discussing conference strength).

Where the SEC really shines is at the top.

Some of that is because of having 12 teams and some is poll driven (see Alabama last season, see the SEC's bowl record over the last decade, see the difference in preseason vs. post season rankings).

But some of that is because the top teams in the SEC are really good.

Flipper
08-06-2009, 12:01 PM
Agree with this.

When I did that Pac 10 SEC Comparison last season one of the conclusions I reached, is that overall rank is affected by exactly what you wrote above (but it does matter, you can't just ignore the bottom of the conference when discussing conference strength).

Where the SEC really shines is at the top.

Some of that is because of having 12 teams and some is poll driven (see Alabama last season, see the SEC's bowl record over the last decade, see the difference in preseason vs. post season rankings).

But some of that is because the top teams in the SEC are really good.

True dat.

Absent a change in how they schedule OOC (SEC and the rest of the BCS conferences), I guess the only true barometer of how good the conference is is bowl records. The Pac needs to build on last season's bowl record, since we'll always schedule tough OOC games.

I think the Pac's on the upswing, with good coaches all around the conference. I'm confident that our bowl records will stay up there for the foreseeable future.:)

CatsbyAZ
08-08-2009, 03:03 PM
The last three years the SEC has been the deepest, the best, and often the most top heavy. Their Bowl record the last two years has been like 14-4 and most of those opponents were ranked.

The Big difference between SEC acclaim and acclaim from all other conferences is that when the Big Ten, PacTen, or Big 12 are really good their fans don't go out and make a huge deal about it. The SEC has such a fever following that when they are good they flood the airwaves with chest thumping and Big Ten hate.

F Duke
08-09-2009, 10:54 PM
Phil Steele's conference rankings since 2002:

2002
1 Big 10
2 Big 12
3 Pac 10
4 SEC
5 Big East

2003
1 SEC
2 Big 10
3 Big 12
4 ACC
5 Pac 10

2004
1 Pac 10
2 Big 12
3 SEC
4 ACC
5 Big 10

2005
1 SEC
2 ACC
3 Big 10
4 Big 12
5 Pac 10

2006
1 SEC
2 Big East
3 Big 10
4 Pac 10
5 ACC

2007
1 SEC
2 Big 12
3 Pac 10
4 Big 10
5 ACC

2008
1 SEC
2 BIG 12
3 PAC 10
4 MWC
5 ACC
6 BIG 10

2009 (PROJECTION)
1 SEC
2 BIG 12
3 PAC 10
4 BIG 10
5 ACC

ice
08-09-2009, 11:23 PM
An SEC Preview Issue? With four different covers? Really? They're not that great, people. They just play cupcakes schedules and talk about how great they are. And this seems to be good enough for everyone to be convinced that they are far and away the best conference in the nation. And it will never change because this perception will always put an SEC team in the National Championship game. Seriously. College football needs to be fixed.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/select/2009-01-01/2009-12-31/dd/1/index.htm

Yeah, they are pretty good. Sure, none of them play tough OOC games (or if they do, they only play 1), but none of those 8 in conference games are easy. Top to bottom, definitely the best conference in football. And as someone who made the trip to Tiger Stadium a few years ago for a game I'd rather not talk about, the gameday environment over there is ridiculous. I'd be a very happy man if gameday at UofA was even half of what it is at LSU, or from what I've heard it is at UF, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Tennessee, etc.

LegallyKenny
08-10-2009, 01:05 PM
Championships Schools BCS Championship Game Record

SEC -5 Tennessee (1998), LSU (2003, 2007), Florida (2006, 2008) 5-0 (1.000)

Big 12- 2 Oklahoma (2000), Texas (2005) 2-4 (0.333)

Pac-10- 1 USC (2004) 1-1 (0.500)

Big Ten -1 Ohio State (2002) 1-2 (0.333)

ACC -1 Florida State (1999) 1-2 (0.333)[21] (2-4 current alignment)

Big East -1 Miami (2001) 1-2 (0.333)[21] (0-0 current alignment)



SINCE 1998 YEAH THEY ARE THAT GOOD!

In 2003, 2007 and 2008, USC would've been favored by Vegas over the SEC teams that were voted into the BCS game. In 2006 I think they would've been a slight dog.

Winger
08-10-2009, 08:35 PM
In 2003, 2007 and 2008, USC would've been favored by Vegas over the SEC teams that were voted into the BCS game. In 2006 I think they would've been a slight dog.

True.

And, this gets to the point of sampling the same data over and over.

Now, if the SEC had dropped 5 NCs (note the absence of the "M") out of a 16 team playoff, that would be a completely different piece of data.