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the real dill
08-07-2009, 11:23 AM
1. Florida (53) 13-1 1,466 1
2. Texas (4) 12-1 1,386 3
3. Oklahoma (1) 12-2 1,358 5
4. Southern California (1) 12-1 1,321 2
5. Alabama 12-2 1,134 6
6. Ohio State 10-3 1,126 11
7. Virginia Tech 10-4 1,020 14
8. Penn State 11-2 988 8
9. LSU 8-5 917 NR
10. Mississippi 9-4 889 15
11. Oklahoma State 9-4 861 18
12. California 9-4 711 25
13. Georgia 10-3 707 10
14. Oregon 10-3 694 9
15. Georgia Tech 9-4 559 22
16. Boise State 12-1 542 13
17. TCU 11-2 461 7
18. Utah 13-0 404 4
19. Florida State 9-4 371 23
20. North Carolina 8-5 293 NR
21. Iowa 9-4 257 20
22. Nebraska 9-4 236 NR
23. Notre Dame 7-6 194 NR
24. Brigham Young 10-3 178 21
25. Oregon State 9-4 165 19

azcat34
08-07-2009, 11:42 AM
They better have an investigation into the 6 coaches that didn't vote St. Tebow No. 1!!!

ASUHATER!
08-07-2009, 12:15 PM
3 votes for arizona, good enough for 49th in the poll!

Flipper
08-07-2009, 12:37 PM
That early SC-OSU battle will be epic, and will go a long ways for the Pac's rep, along with Oregon-Boise State.

Go Pac-10!!!!

Flipper
08-07-2009, 12:41 PM
4 Pac10 teams in the top 25. Not bad.:)

How the hell did ND made it into the top 25? What have they done in the last 10 years to warrant such confidence from voters?;):lol2:

Nice to see mid-majors like TCU, Boise St, BYU get some preseason love.

ASUHATER!
08-07-2009, 12:45 PM
0 big east teams in the top 25, 3 mountain west teams in the top 25. i think the mwc should take the big east's automatic bcs bid. between utah, byu, tcu and occasional bursts of greatness from teams like air force and colorado state, they deserve it.

the real dill
08-07-2009, 12:45 PM
4 Pac10 teams in the top 25. Not bad.:)

How the hell did ND made it into the top 25? What have they done in the last 10 years to warrant such confidence from voters?;):lol2:

Nice to see mid-majors like TCU, Boise St, BYU get some preseason love.

ND has a lot of talent and this schedule:

09 vs. Nevada Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
09/12/09 at Michigan Ann Arbor, Mich. 3:30 p.m. ET
09/19/09 vs. Michigan State Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
09/26/09 at Purdue West Lafayette, Ind. 8:00 p.m. ET
10/03/09 vs. Washington Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
10/17/09 vs. USC Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
10/24/09 vs. Boston College Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
10/31/09 vs. Washington State San Antonio, Texas 6:30 p.m. CT
11/07/09 vs. Navy Notre Dame, Ind. 2:30 p.m. ET
11/14/09 at Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, Pa. TBA
11/21/09 vs. Connecticut Notre Dame, Ind. 2:30 p.m. ET
11/28/09 at Stanford Palo Alto, Calif. 5:00 p.m. PT


I think 10 wins is probable.

Nebraska jumped out at me. Way too high.

Flipper
08-07-2009, 02:16 PM
ND has a lot of talent and this schedule:

09 vs. Nevada Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
09/12/09 at Michigan Ann Arbor, Mich. 3:30 p.m. ET
09/19/09 vs. Michigan State Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
09/26/09 at Purdue West Lafayette, Ind. 8:00 p.m. ET
10/03/09 vs. Washington Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
10/17/09 vs. USC Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
10/24/09 vs. Boston College Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
10/31/09 vs. Washington State San Antonio, Texas 6:30 p.m. CT
11/07/09 vs. Navy Notre Dame, Ind. 2:30 p.m. ET
11/14/09 at Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, Pa. TBA
11/21/09 vs. Connecticut Notre Dame, Ind. 2:30 p.m. ET
11/28/09 at Stanford Palo Alto, Calif. 5:00 p.m. PT


I think 10 wins is probable.

Nebraska jumped out at me. Way too high.

All those teams in bold will have down years (again). Stanford, Pitt will give them tough games, along with the loss to SC. MSU might too, along with Purdue and BC.

2-3 losses will be more like it.

Jason Scheer
08-07-2009, 02:45 PM
Cal and Oregon are way overrated

scumdevils86
08-07-2009, 02:50 PM
Especially Oregon.

ASUHATER!
08-07-2009, 03:09 PM
i think cal will be good this year, like 10-2 type good. i think oregon is vastly overrated though and will go like 7-5 or 8-4

T-Bone
08-07-2009, 03:47 PM
i think oregon is vastly overrated though and will go like 7-5 or 8-4

You're thinking way too hard about this. Chip Kelly can help you simplify everything and you'll see why you're wrong.

scumdevils86
08-07-2009, 03:50 PM
Oregon returns the fewest starters in the pac 10.

Zona_Soccer10
08-08-2009, 01:59 AM
Anyone else find it hillarious how UCLA recieved fourteen votes? Eleven more than us.

catgrad97
08-08-2009, 02:03 AM
Can anybody answer for me what in the wide, wide world of sports the Fighting Irish are doing playing freaking Wazzu, in San fracking Antonio, on Halloween fricking night?!?!

Seriously, who in the hell scheduled this game, and why?

ice
08-08-2009, 08:53 AM
Can anybody answer for me what in the wide, wide world of sports the Fighting Irish are doing playing freaking Wazzu, in San fracking Antonio, on Halloween fricking night?!?!

Seriously, who in the hell scheduled this game, and why?


I was about to ask the same question. Why does that game exist???

Also, I like how they are playing both Washington and WSU. Definitely not a bad year to have both on the schedule, then again the previous 5 years also would be great years to play them both.

ice
08-08-2009, 08:56 AM
Game is essentially in San Antonio because it's good for ND's recruiting plans:

http://wsucougars.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072007aaa.html

They also say they want to play a neutral site game because it's good for the fans, but I don't see many fans wanting to travel for that one. Maybe a few WSU fans will because it will be like going to a bowl game, and we all know they won't be going to one of those anytime soon.

Flipper
08-08-2009, 10:53 AM
Game is essentially in San Antonio because it's good for ND's recruiting plans:

http://wsucougars.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072007aaa.html

They also say they want to play a neutral site game because it's good for the fans, but I don't see many fans wanting to travel for that one. Maybe a few WSU fans will because it will be like going to a bowl game, and we all know they won't be going to one of those anytime soon.

San Antonio's always a good destination, outside of maybe July/August.:)

RichardCranium
08-08-2009, 10:58 AM
Game is essentially in San Antonio because it's good for ND's recruiting plans:

http://wsucougars.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072007aaa.html

They also say they want to play a neutral site game because it's good for the fans, but I don't see many fans wanting to travel for that one. Maybe a few WSU fans will because it will be like going to a bowl game, and we all know they won't be going to one of those anytime soon.

Notre Dame has fans all across the country, alums or not. I expect there are a lot of them in Texas.

MountainCat
08-08-2009, 01:56 PM
3 votes for arizona, good enough for 49th in the poll!

I know it is Pre-season, BUT.......

.....Where are the votes for ASU? I thought the Pac 10 Coaches voted them to finish ahead of us? And we came in at #49? :erickbud:

Cats101
08-08-2009, 06:21 PM
Notre Dame is the only team that probably shouldn't be ranked. What a joke.

CatsbyAZ
08-08-2009, 06:50 PM
Can anybody answer for me what in the wide, wide world of sports the Fighting Irish are doing playing freaking Wazzu, in San fracking Antonio, on Halloween fricking night?!?!

Seriously, who in the hell scheduled this game, and why?

1. Nobody wants to play WSU in that shed of a stadium in Pullman (or possibly nobody knows where Pullman is.)

2. ND gets to count this nuetral site game as a road game (wussies.)

3. ND gets to count this as BCS competition even though everybody knows WSU is less talented than +60% of non-BCS teams.

4. And I'm guessing they want to make a recruiting presence in talent rich Texas.

5. Charlie Weis get to dress up and pretend he's a mall Santa because it's Halloween.

Cats101
08-08-2009, 06:51 PM
BTW I think the ACC has a good chance to be the best conference from top to bottom.

ASUHATER!
08-08-2009, 06:52 PM
nd sucks but with their schedule they'll probably end up going like 9-3 and going to a bcs bowl

BlueMikey
08-08-2009, 07:30 PM
0 big east teams in the top 25, 3 mountain west teams in the top 25. i think the mwc should take the big east's automatic bcs bid. between utah, byu, tcu and occasional bursts of greatness from teams like air force and colorado state, they deserve it.

Agreed. And it has nothing to do with any sort of down year for the Big East or anything. It's just a ****ty football conference (after West Virginia).

CatMG
08-08-2009, 09:10 PM
ND has a lot of talent and this schedule:

I think 10 wins is probable.



Why should schedule strength (or lack there of) influence a preseason ranking? If it is based on returniong talent, okay. If anything, a weak schedule SHOULD keep them from moving up thge rankings throughout the year.

Merkin
08-08-2009, 09:15 PM
Notre Dame has fans all across the country, alums or not. I expect there are a lot of them in Texas.

Not just alums, lots of Catholics there, after all ND is the Catholic school just as BYU is the Mormon school, Duke the Methodist school and all that.

You don't want to root against Jesus.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6523/touchdownjesus.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/touchdownjesus.jpg/)


Washington is full of them hell bent Protestants.

the real dill
08-09-2009, 12:59 AM
Why should schedule strength (or lack there of) influence a preseason ranking? If it is based on returniong talent, okay. If anything, a weak schedule SHOULD keep them from moving up thge rankings throughout the year.

If ND goes 10-2 they will be top 15. Right or wrong, that is a fact.

F Duke
08-09-2009, 03:45 AM
BTW I think the ACC has a good chance to be the best conference from top to bottom.

No. 100% No.

MrBug708
08-09-2009, 05:11 AM
Alll the catholics out in SoCal are USC fans

Winger
08-09-2009, 09:28 AM
Alll the catholics out in SoCal are USC fans

They weren't 10 years ago.

cactuscat62
08-09-2009, 10:34 AM
Not just alums, lots of Catholics there, after all ND is the Catholic school just as BYU is the Mormon school, Duke the Methodist school and all that.

You don't want to root against Jesus.

If you're an Irish fan...then it's "Touchdown Jesus"


http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6523/touchdownjesus.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/touchdownjesus.jpg/)

catgrad97
08-11-2009, 01:32 PM
1. Nobody wants to play WSU in that shed of a stadium in Pullman (or possibly nobody knows where Pullman is.)

2. ND gets to count this nuetral site game as a road game (wussies.)

3. ND gets to count this as BCS competition even though everybody knows WSU is less talented than +60% of non-BCS teams.

4. And I'm guessing they want to make a recruiting presence in talent rich Texas.

5. Charlie Weis get to dress up and pretend he's a mall Santa because it's Halloween.

I can get behind this list. What a pussssy schedule. Worse even than Duke basketball.

It's like nobody's even trying to hide the fact anymore that Notre Dame is an artificially manufactured national football power. This is what South Bend has to pull to get itself visibility in a New Year's Day bowl game every year.

And yet I still see the Irish finding a way to lose 5 of those games. :tdown: :tdown: to Notre Dame publicly admitting that it can no longer compete with the real powers in college football, yet not being able to own up to it at the risk of losing that sweet, sweet bowl money.

Flipper
08-11-2009, 02:18 PM
I can get behind this list. What a pussssy schedule. Worse even than Duke basketball.

It's like nobody's even trying to hide the fact anymore that Notre Dame is an artificially manufactured national football power. This is what South Bend has to pull to get itself visibility in a New Year's Day bowl game every year.

And yet I still see the Irish finding a way to lose 5 of those games. :tdown: :tdown: to Notre Dame publicly admitting that it can no longer compete with the real powers in college football, yet not being able to own up to it at the risk of losing that sweet, sweet bowl money.

Well said.

I guess Charlie did go thru with his wish of dumbing down their schedule. Didn't realize though that it'll happen this quick.

Anyways, I've always admired Notre Dame for all the tough games on their schedule, which probably is the biggest reason why they BECAME Notre Dame. Now, they're just a Big12/SEC wannabe.;):lol2::)

CatsbyAZ
08-11-2009, 03:00 PM
Anyways, I've always admired Notre Dame for all the tough games on their schedule, which probably is the biggest reason why they BECAME Notre Dame. Now, they're just a Big12/SEC wannabe.;):lol2::)

With Stanford, USC, Washington, and Washington State on the sked I'd say they're a PacTen wannabe too. Notice how they scheduled the bottom two programs. I'm sure ND fans all say 'but they were good when we scheduled them.' Man, Mike Stoops should get himself on there.

the real dill
08-11-2009, 03:25 PM
Well said.

I guess Charlie did go thru with his wish of dumbing down their schedule. Didn't realize though that it'll happen this quick.

Anyways, I've always admired Notre Dame for all the tough games on their schedule, which probably is the biggest reason why they BECAME Notre Dame. Now, they're just a Big12/SEC wannabe.;):lol2::)

They have almost half the Pac 10 on their schedule.....

Flipper
08-11-2009, 04:00 PM
They have almost half the Pac 10 on their schedule.....


The 2 Washington schools are in their lowest point in a long, long time. Stanford has always been in their schedule, at least every few years. I think Stanford will take out the Domers.:)

MountainCat
08-11-2009, 04:05 PM
The 2 Washington schools are in their lowest point in a long, long time. Stanford has always been in their schedule, at least every few years. I think Stanford will take out the Domers.:)

They will loose to USC and one of the other three. Stanford is the best bet being the game is in Palo Alto, and their last game of the year.

LegallyKenny
08-11-2009, 04:41 PM
That early SC-OSU battle will be epic, and will go a long ways for the Pac's rep, along with Oregon-Boise State.

Go Pac-10!!!!

Sadly USC ****-stomping OSU last year didn't seem to do much for the conference rep. We'll just hear USC +9 again all season (which distinction will suddenly disappear when USC is again left out of the BCS game because it's "from the PAC10").

F Duke
08-11-2009, 04:45 PM
I think this should be an up year for the conference. Cal is getting as much respect this year as I've ever seen. If the Ducks can get through their first five games, they'll be highly regarded as well. UCLA is being picked by a lot of so called experts as one of the top sleeper teams

the real dill
08-11-2009, 05:02 PM
I think this should be an up year for the conference. Cal is getting as much respect this year as I've ever seen. If the Ducks can get through their first five games, they'll be highly regarded as well. UCLA is being picked by a lot of so called experts as one of the top sleeper teams

UCLA and Stanford are getting a lot of love. Of course we hear a lot about Stanford around here because Luck is a high school hero and his dad owns the Dynamo. Oregon St. should be nice too. UCLA needs significant improvement in their line play, but return some pretty nice pieces.

CatsbyAZ
08-11-2009, 05:41 PM
Rick Nuey will be able to work his magic and get the Ruins 6 or 7 wins this year but their lines are depleted, the QB is a bigger ??? than ours and ASU's, and the skill positions will be reliant on a bunch of newcomers. UCLA still has a long way to go.

Stanford though will be noticeably improved. Harbaugh is on his way to getting them the depth levels of Oregon and Cal.

Winger
08-13-2009, 10:50 AM
Courtesy of my brother:

The USA Today rankings are out, and it furthers my point about how Florida and Texas have the easiest roads to Pasadena, mainly because Florida lucked out by missing both Ole Miss and Bama this year, while UT scheduled 4 patsies and benefits from a piss-poor Big 12 North division. Here are the Top 25 teams each of the 4 most likely MNC contenders face:

1. Floida -- 3 Top 25 teams: LSU (9), Georgia (13), FSU (19)
2. Texas -- 2 Top 25 teams: OU (3), OSU (11)
3. OU -- 4 Top 25 teams: Texas (2), OSU (11), Nebraska (22), BYU (24)
4. USC -- 5 Top 25 teams: tOSU (6), Cal (12), Oregon (14), ND (23), Oregon St (25). USC also plays 11 BCS conf schools.

That said, if TTech and Kansas move into the Top 25 at some point as I'd expect, UT's schedule could look a little better.

#8 LSU has 4 Top 25 schools. UF (1), Bama (5), Ole Miss (10), and Ga (13), which is not only more than everyone but USC, but also has 3 in the Top 10. That is tough stuff.

#5 Bama also only plays 3 Top 25 teams, but one of those is V-Tech, which just lost its best runningback/player to an ACL injury.

the real dill
08-13-2009, 11:13 AM
You will enjoy this article Winger....

Scheduling a championship
Numbers show Longhorns have best shot at perfect season among elite teams
Larry Smith/Icon SMIWill the Longhorns run the table this season? The numbers say they have the best shot.
Strength of schedule can make or break a national title contender. If a team faces a gauntlet, it may be doomed to fail once (or twice) too often. If it faces a slate of second-rate opponents, it may be judged by BCS computers and poll voters as an unworthy candidate. Balance is everything.
Our projections for the 2009 season don't dramatically disagree with the national consensus at the top. We are projecting five elite teams to have the best opportunity to contend for a spot in the BCS championship game: Florida, USC, Texas, Virginia Tech and Oklahoma. Each will be challenged along the way, however. According to our SOS ratings, the odds are stacked against any of the five posting an undefeated regular season (Table 1).
To see which top team has the best chance of running the table and which faces the toughest stretch during the season, you must be an ESPN Insider.
At Football Outsiders, we take a unique approach to schedule-strength calculations for college football teams. Most other computer systems produce a simple average of opponent team ratings to calculate strength of schedule (SOS). Instead, we calculate the likelihood of victory for a typical top-five elite team against each opponent on a given schedule, game by game. The distinction is valid: An elite team would have more difficulty defeating both a top-five opponent and a team ranked 120th than two teams ranked between 50th and 60th in the nation. In the first scenario, one game is a toss-up and the other is a lock. In Scenario 2, both games are approximately 95 percent locks. The elite team's head coach doesn't need to be an expert in probabilities to identify Scenario 2 as the easier schedule.
Table 1: Projected SOS for elite teams
TEAM SOS
Florida 0.196
Virginia Tech 0.210
Oklahoma 0.251
USC 0.257
Texas 0.349
The projected elite-team-victory likelihoods are based on five years of game performances. Roughly speaking, an elite team may have a 65 percent chance of defeating a team ranked No. 10, a 75 percent chance of defeating a team ranked No. 20 and a 90 percent chance of defeating a team ranked No. 40. Combined, the elite team has a 44 percent likelihood of defeating all three (0.65 x 0.75 x 0.90 = 0.439). By our methodology, a lower strength-of-schedule rating represents a tougher schedule.
The numbers in Table 1 do not take into account potential conference championship games nor bowl games. But even without those bonus challenges, it isn't easy for even the best teams in college football to run the table. Only three BCS conference teams -- USC and Auburn in 2004, Texas in 2005 -- have posted an undefeated record in the past six years. Several other elite teams were good enough to match the feat but tripped up at least once, often victimized by inferior opponents.
So what can the Football Outsiders SOS numbers tell us about what to expect in 2009? By virtue of their relatively weak out-of-conference schedule, the Texas Longhorns find themselves with the easiest path to an undefeated season among our group of five contenders. As mentioned earlier, this could be a blessing or a curse. Win them all and Texas can punch its ticket to Pasadena. Lose once, and it might be 2008 all over again.
Last season, the BCS human and non-human decision-makers held the Longhorns' weak nonconference schedule against them, vaulting Oklahoma into position for the Big 12 Conference championship and BCS title-game berth. Our formula agreed with that rationale. Ignoring the conference championships and bowl games, Texas' regular-season schedule strength (0.253) was weaker than that of both Oklahoma (0.205) and Florida (0.226).
Had the Longhorns not given up a thrilling last-second touchdown to Texas Tech on Nov. 1, the schedule would have been a moot point. But the schedule may, in fact, have made those three measly seconds possible. Over four consecutive weeks, Texas played a murderers' row, starting with the Red River Rivalry game against Oklahoma and followed by ranked opponents Missouri, Oklahoma State and the fateful game against Texas Tech. The likelihood that an elite team would win those four games was only 30.7 percent.
That's right, Texas has a better chance of running the table over 12 games in 2009 than they had of winning those four consecutively in 2008.
Table 2: Toughest consecutive-week schedules among elite teams
Stretch Team Stretch SOS Schedule
2-Week Oklahoma 0.546 vs. Texas (10/17), at Kansas (10/24)
3-Week Texas 0.522 vs. Okla. (10/17), at Missouri (10/24), at Okla. State (10/31)
4-Week Florida 0.385 at LSU (10/10), vs. Arkansas (10/17), at Miss. St. (10/24), vs. Georgia (10/31)
Since 2003, no national-championship teams have faced a four-week gauntlet that difficult, much less emerged from one unscathed. The toughest four-week stretch contested by the undefeated 2005 Texas team was almost half as difficult (0.587). The 2005 Longhorns' regular-season schedule -- featuring a road tilt against a very strong Ohio State team -- was more difficult than their 2008 overall season, but Vince Young's toughest games were spread out across September, October and November.
Which brings us to 2009. The Longhorns might have the easiest overall schedule among our contenders, but their toughest competition is bunched together in the month of October (Table 2). Perhaps a three-week gauntlet will be less cruel and more forgiving than the month-long endurance test a year ago.
USC's overall regular-season schedule compares similarly with that of the Oklahoma Sooners. But in the Trojans' case, the toughest teams are sprinkled throughout the year. The Trojans' Sept. 12 trip to Ohio State is bracketed by games against San Jose State and Washington, and a bye week falls between games against California and Notre Dame. USC's annual title hopes have often been dashed by surprise, however, so perhaps they would prefer gauntlet-style scheduling.
Table 3: Elite teams' SOS, first half vs. second half
Team 1st Half 2nd Half
Virginia Tech 0.327 0.689
Oklahoma 0.406 0.616
USC 0.429 0.596
Florida 0.468 0.417
Texas 0.531 0.656
For Virginia Tech, the fate of their season will be decided early. The Hokies kick off their 2009 campaign in Atlanta against Alabama and face their toughest conference competition in the first half of the season (Table 3), defined here as the first seven weeks of games, through Oct. 17. By our measure, Virginia Tech's first half is more than twice as difficult as its second. A loss before mid-October for the Hokies might not provide an opportunity to recover. But an undefeated first half will position the team perfectly to jump ahead of other contenders that might falter down the stretch.
Florida, meanwhile, will play a slightly tougher second-half schedule than first-half schedule. As was the case in its championship seasons in 2006 and 2008, a loss early likely won't preclude the Gators from making a late-season run over formidable opponents to claim a BCS championship berth. But it won't be easy; Florida's second-half schedule projects to be more difficult than the second-half schedules of each of the past six BCS championship teams. With 18 starters returning to one of the most prolific teams in recent college football history, however, the Gators are as well equipped as anyone to meet the challenge.
Brian Fremeau is a writer for Football Outsiders.

Winger
08-13-2009, 11:36 AM
That is money, thanks Dill.

Inside all of that runs a question for me:

When one looks at USC's and Florida's schedules and the SOS numbers from ESPN in that article above, it makes me again wonder if in determining SOS if we have too much hinsight bias from 2008?

They left out the Pac 10's 5-0 bowl game performance, and are including the Pac 10's 0.500 OOC performance (assuming they are using the typical formula for SOS).

If one looks at 2009 only ...

Take a look at USC's OOC schedule: SJSt., Ohio St., Notre Dame ...
... vs. Florida's: Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International, FSU

Add: USC plays 11 BCS teams out of 12 games, Florida 9 and that Florida will miss both Alabama and Mississippi in the SEC, and the fact that they did not include the SEC Conference Championship game in their analysis.

And, I am left with the impression that there is no way (imo) the quality of SEC competiton for Florida in 2009 justifies a SOS ranking that much better than USC's, in fact, taken in combination I'd say lean to USC (and that would include a CC game for Florida).

Flipper
08-13-2009, 12:30 PM
That is money, thanks Dill.

Inside all of that runs a question for me:

When one looks at USC's and Florida's schedules and the SOS numbers from ESPN in that article above, it makes me again wonder if in determining SOS if we have too much hinsight bias from 2008?

They left out the Pac 10's 5-0 bowl game performance, and are including the Pac 10's 0.500 OOC performance (assuming they are using the typical formula for SOS).

If one looks at 2009 only ...

Take a look at USC's OOC schedule: SJSt., Ohio St., Notre Dame ...
... vs. Florida's: Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International, FSU

Add: USC plays 11 BCS teams out of 12 games, Florida 9 and that Florida will miss both Alabama and Mississippi in the SEC, and the fact that they did not include the SEC Conference Championship game in their analysis.

And, I am left with the impression that there is no way (imo) the quality of SEC competiton for Florida in 2009 justifies a SOS ranking that much better than USC's, in fact, taken in combination I'd say lean to USC (and that would include a CC game for Florida).


Hogwash

Signed,

All SEC teams.......and Dill:);):lol2:

AKA, you're making too much sense for everybody NOT in the Pac10.

Morgan
08-13-2009, 01:20 PM
USC's schedule is brutal.

They are front loaded with road games with a really young team. They have 3 home games prior to November 14.

I'll be shocked if they get through their 6 road games with only 1 loss.