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bruins01
08-14-2009, 05:35 PM
http://deadspin.com/5337468/southeast-missouri-state-feels-the-ncaas-sting

The NCAA has thrown the book at Southeast Missouri State basketball, vacating all their men's basketball wins from 2006-2008 because an assistant gave impermissible benefits to a player—by giving him a lift home to see his newborn baby.

Oh, it gets much more evil. Another basketball player received money to cover his unpaid "institutional fees." How much money? $239 dollars. Coaches also committed the crime of "observation of out-of-season pick-up games" and offseason weightlifting. That's three years probation for you. Oh, and coach Scott Edgar—who has already been fired—was given a "show-cause" penalty that pretty much means he can't work for the next three years, because he is obviously a menace.

The women's basketball team got it too, because a booster paid the tuition of a former player. A player who had used up all her eligibility, but was one semester away from finishing her degree and couldn't get financial aid. Student-athletes: Good. Students?: **** them.

Why doesn't the NCAA implement a process by which programs can attempt to receive permission to do little favors for their players like this? That way programs can do the right thing without getting penalized for it, and the NCAA has a way of overseeing and controlling such favors.

Itamicbomb
08-14-2009, 05:37 PM
http://deadspin.com/5337468/southeast-missouri-state-feels-the-ncaas-sting



Why doesn't the NCAA implement a process by which programs can attempt to receive permission to do little favors for their players like this? That way programs can do the right thing without getting penalized for it, and the NCAA has a way of overseeing and controlling such favors.

Little favors like extra practices? The NCAA dropped the hammer for the violations in the sixth sentence, not the first. The NCAA did bend backwards for Ray Ray McElrathby (spelling?), but prior clearance was obtained.

CatintheHeat
08-14-2009, 05:45 PM
http://deadspin.com/5337468/southeast-missouri-state-feels-the-ncaas-sting



Why doesn't the NCAA implement a process by which programs can attempt to receive permission to do little favors for their players like this? That way programs can do the right thing without getting penalized for it, and the NCAA has a way of overseeing and controlling such favors.

I partially agree with you. But the rules are still the rules. The coaches should not have paid the $239 for institutianal fees. The coaches should know they aren't allowed to watch pick-up games. You have a point with the rest. Although giving one of your players money for tuition after eligibility is up still could be construed as a benefit that could help with recruiting.

T-Bone
08-14-2009, 06:03 PM
Although giving one of your players money for tuition after eligibility is up still could be construed as a benefit that could help with recruiting.

LOL. You mean in getting kids to choose Southeast Missouri State over their local community college?

catgrad97
08-14-2009, 06:50 PM
Did the school self-report these violations? If it didn't, that could have made a difference as well.

TheCat
08-14-2009, 10:57 PM
http://deadspin.com/5337468/southeast-missouri-state-feels-the-ncaas-sting



Why doesn't the NCAA implement a process by which programs can attempt to receive permission to do little favors for their players like this? That way programs can do the right thing without getting penalized for it, and the NCAA has a way of overseeing and controlling such favors.

If you recall Roy Williams got in trouble for buying a sports coat for his players that were graduating and had no eligibility left when they couldn't afford them.

azlax04
08-15-2009, 01:38 PM
http://deadspin.com/5337468/southeast-missouri-state-feels-the-ncaas-sting

The NCAA has thrown the book at Southeast Missouri State basketball, vacating all their men's basketball wins from 2006-2008 because an assistant gave impermissible benefits to a player—by giving him a lift home to see his newborn baby.

Oh, it gets much more evil. Another basketball player received money to cover his unpaid "institutional fees." How much money? $239 dollars. Coaches also committed the crime of "observation of out-of-season pick-up games" and offseason weightlifting. That's three years probation for you. Oh, and coach Scott Edgar—who has already been fired—was given a "show-cause" penalty that pretty much means he can't work for the next three years, because he is obviously a menace.

The women's basketball team got it too, because a booster paid the tuition of a former player. A player who had used up all her eligibility, but was one semester away from finishing her degree and couldn't get financial aid. Student-athletes: Good. Students?: **** them.

Why doesn't the NCAA implement a process by which programs can attempt to receive permission to do little favors for their players like this? That way programs can do the right thing without getting penalized for it, and the NCAA has a way of overseeing and controlling such favors.

Wow.

I mean, there's what USC has done/is doing/will do.

And then there's Southeast Missouri State.
An absolute den of iniquity. A pit of vipers in that athletic department.

The horror.

BlueMikey
08-15-2009, 01:48 PM
If the NCAA cared about precedent at all, this would be a nasty one.

But USC football and basketball roll merrily along.

Itamicbomb
08-15-2009, 01:56 PM
If the NCAA cared about precedent at all, this would be a nasty one.

But USC football and basketball roll merrily along.

Not exactly precedent that if you lie to NCAA investigators and deliberately and knowingly break an athlete's amateur status and break rules, the NCAA will drop the hammer. The big schools just have better liars.

TheCat
08-15-2009, 03:13 PM
Brings back the old Tarkanian quote.....the NCAA is so mad at Kentuky that Ball State is going to be banned.....something like that.

UofAcat23
08-15-2009, 04:08 PM
The NCAA is the biggest joke on the planet. Who and what they investigate makes no sense whatsoever.

Then again, if they really wanted to crack down on the rules, 99.9% of the football and basketball programs would be on some sort of probation right now

Itamicbomb
08-15-2009, 04:32 PM
The NCAA is the biggest joke on the planet. Who and what they investigate makes no sense whatsoever.

Then again, if they really wanted to crack down on the rules, 99.9% of the football and basketball programs would be on some sort of probation right now

Did you read the report?

UofAcat23
08-15-2009, 04:58 PM
Did you read the report?

I'm not referring to the report, I'm speaking on a global level.

The thread is entitled "The NCAA sucks" and I agree with the sentiment, regardless of whether Southeast Missouri State deserved their punishment or not.

uajule
08-16-2009, 09:39 PM
Little favors like extra practices? The NCAA dropped the hammer for the violations in the sixth sentence, not the first. The NCAA did bend backwards for Ray Ray McElrathby (spelling?), but prior clearance was obtained.


well if you havnt already read the ray ray story (the bad ending that is) maybe you should tommy bowden pulled his scholarship and now he had to transfer to howard so i guess you would be happy to know the criminal known as ray ray who was trying to raise an 11 year-old boy while getting an education ended happily for you.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/phil_taylor/03/12/mcelrathbey.clemson/index.html

Itamicbomb
08-16-2009, 09:49 PM
well if you havnt already read the ray ray story (the bad ending that is) maybe you should tommy bowden pulled his scholarship and now he had to transfer to howard so i guess you would be happy to know the criminal known as ray ray who was trying to raise an 11 year-old boy while getting an education ended happily for you.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/phil_taylor/03/12/mcelrathbey.clemson/index.html

How is the NCAA responsible for Bowden's decision? They did everything they could have to help out that family.

Itamicbomb
08-20-2009, 02:02 PM
http://twitter.com/MasonCoachL/status/3417644578

Hilarious.

Merkin
08-20-2009, 02:04 PM
http://twitter.com/MasonCoachL/status/3417644578

Hilarious.


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