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Flipper
10-08-2009, 12:02 PM
http://www.bruingold.com/forums/index.php4?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=20299&mesg_id=20299

Didn't realize the Bruins are still recruiting him after the decommitment from the 'Horns. Or is it just hot air form the club coach?

As a side note, I guess Jessiewildcat is still around, eh?:)

Anyways, good luck with his on campus visit today.

wooha
10-08-2009, 12:13 PM
Ask his Mom what his geographical restrictions are.

Chicat
10-08-2009, 12:43 PM
Even with his mother wanting him to remain in state, UCLA would be foolish not to at least try and get him interested in becoming a Bruin.

'ZONA97
10-08-2009, 02:11 PM
Isn't Bejarano all signed, sealed and delivered?

Yes.

Zero
10-08-2009, 02:47 PM
Not worried.

BeachCat97
10-08-2009, 02:59 PM
Not worried.

Me neither. Miller > Howland

MrBug708
10-08-2009, 04:11 PM
In hair growing, yes

Batpig
10-08-2009, 04:19 PM
Me neither. Miller > Howland

At what? Getting clownstomped by UCLA in the Elite 8?

Zero
10-08-2009, 04:21 PM
Oh god.

BeachCat97
10-08-2009, 04:25 PM
In hair growing, yes

So far, he's kicking BH's ass in recruiting too. Didn't take long, did it?

Batpig
10-08-2009, 04:27 PM
So far, he's kicking BH's ass in recruiting too. Didn't take long, did it?
He is?

Reydituto
10-08-2009, 04:29 PM
http://k43.pbase.com/o5/42/267742/1/68416045.wGDPMlLK.popcorn.gif

PerpEph
10-08-2009, 04:31 PM
At what? Getting clownstomped by UCLA in the Elite 8?

How could Howland get "clownstomped" by UCLA in the Elite Eight when he is UCLA's head coach?

Try again.

Batpig
10-08-2009, 04:31 PM
http://k43.pbase.com/o5/42/267742/1/68416045.wGDPMlLK.popcorn.gif

LOL well played Rey!

Batpig
10-08-2009, 04:32 PM
How could Howland get "clownstomped" by UCLA in the Elite Eight when he is UCLA's head coach?

Try again.

Oh man, ya got me. Pwn3d!111!!!!11!

T-Bone
10-08-2009, 04:40 PM
How could Howland get "clownstomped" by UCLA in the Elite Eight when he is UCLA's head coach?

Try again.

Well, UCLA has done a pretty good job of "clownstomping" Howland in championship games, so maybe it happens in Elite 8 games as well.

Chicat
10-08-2009, 04:45 PM
I swear any time Howland is talked about in any way but the most flowery effusive praise, UCLA fans feel a disturbance in The Force and flock to defend their Jedi Master.

But I have to say that everyone should have realized by now that BC97 just says these things so you all flock here and pitch a fit. It's pretty funny...

Cats101
10-08-2009, 04:55 PM
I swear any time Howland is talked about in any way but the most flowery effusive praise, UCLA fans feel a disturbance in The Force and flock to defend their Jedi Master.

But I have to say that everyone should have realized by now that BC97 just says these things so you all flock here and pitch a fit. It's pretty funny...

Never fails.

That said, not worried on bit and neither should anyone else.

the real dill
10-08-2009, 04:57 PM
Never fails.

That said, not worried on bit and neither should anyone else.

He said he is playing in Arizona and he doesn't have an offer from ASU. So, at best this is a battle between UofA and NAU.

scumdevils86
10-08-2009, 04:58 PM
I swear any time Howland is talked about in any way but the most flowery effusive praise, UCLA fans feel a disturbance in The Force and flock to defend their Jedi Master.

But I have to say that everyone should have realized by now that BC97 just says these things so you all flock here and pitch a fit. It's pretty funny...

HAAHA. Don't try to explain it to them. It'll ruin the fun.

Cats101
10-08-2009, 04:59 PM
He said he is playing in Arizona and he doesn't have an offer from ASU. So, at best this is a battle between UofA and NAU.

Even if he still had an offer from ASU, I still wouldn't be worried. Atleast we know he won't be playing in Texas. :)

scumdevils86
10-08-2009, 04:59 PM
He said he is playing in Arizona and he doesn't have an offer from ASU. So, at best this is a battle between UofA and NAU.

Don't forget GCC and Pennell!

BeachCat97
10-08-2009, 05:08 PM
I swear any time Howland is talked about in any way but the most flowery effusive praise, UCLA fans feel a disturbance in The Force and flock to defend their Jedi Master.

But I have to say that everyone should have realized by now that BC97 just says these things so you all flock here and pitch a fit. It's pretty funny...

Chi's the only one paying attention. I live to provoke consternation among Bruin fans, who still, after all the titles and accolades, have a deep sense of inadequacy.

Miller > Howland

Zero
10-08-2009, 05:09 PM
This is funny.

MrBug708
10-08-2009, 05:15 PM
HAAHA. Don't try to explain it to them. It'll ruin the fun.

Lol..the sad part is I think u are serious

the goat
10-08-2009, 05:18 PM
http://k43.pbase.com/o5/42/267742/1/68416045.wGDPMlLK.popcorn.gif

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9010/f28814974d3e13516658bd4.gif (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/f28814974d3e13516658bd4.gif/)

Zero
10-08-2009, 05:19 PM
Easy bait. All we need is 11bananas

scumdevils86
10-08-2009, 05:26 PM
Lol..the sad part is I think u are serious

Lol. you don't know jack sh*t about goazcats posters.

Batpig
10-08-2009, 05:31 PM
I swear any time Howland is talked about in any way but the most flowery effusive praise, UCLA fans feel a disturbance in The Force and flock to defend their Jedi Master.

But I have to say that everyone should have realized by now that BC97 just says these things so you all flock here and pitch a fit. It's pretty funny...

Someone's throwing a fit?

CalStateTempe
10-08-2009, 05:42 PM
Miller>>>>>>>>>>Howland

PerpEph
10-08-2009, 05:44 PM
Miller >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus + Wooden x Kareem Abdul Jabaar

Reydituto
10-08-2009, 05:51 PM
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9010/f28814974d3e13516658bd4.gif (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/f28814974d3e13516658bd4.gif/)

Well played, sir.

To be serious for a second ... UCLA didn't chase Hill, K-Real, Parrom, Momo or Williams to my knowledge, benefited from Moser de-committing from UA in '08, and hasn't gone head-head with Miller over recruits as often as in the past with Olson, et al. Tyler Lamb listed UA, but he's been solid to UCLA (despite rumors) for months.

Looking at the recruiting charts it would appear UA & UCLA are fighting for a lot of the same recruits, but looks are deceiving. The most notable 2010 battles right now are Ray McCallum, which should go down to the wire, and Terrence Jones (but I don't think that comes down to UA vs. UCLA), and Trey Ziegler waiting until the spring & listing both schools. Josh Smith lists both but seems to be down to UCLA (fave) & UW (udog), and UA hasn't seriously recruited Smith for awhile. Technically Vander Blue & Julian Washburn list both but I don't see either school being a real factor there.

Anthony Brown considered both until committing to Stanford, and others that "listed" both include Richard Solomon (Cal), Kyle Fuller (Vandy), Terrell Stoglin (Maryland), Stephen Holt (St. Mary's), Royce Woolridge (Kansas) and the enigmatic Dominique Ferguson (Florida Int'l). UCLA was a real contender for Brown, and UA was for Ferguson (we think, who knows with that kid), but neither school was a huge factor in the other recruitments.

Looking at 2011, the only common offeree is Norvel Pelle, although Kyle Caudill, Quinn Cook, Cezar Guerrero, Nick Johnson, Wesley Saunders, Shannon Scott, Josiah Turner & Kyle Wiltjer should draw serious mutual interest.

OK, back to the fun ...

http://ct.iscute.com/i20/2/8/31/f_e6763e66ea0a.gif

97cats
10-08-2009, 05:54 PM
the popcorn is terrific. just terrific!

MrBug708
10-08-2009, 06:05 PM
Lol. you don't know jack sh*t about goazcats posters.

Get premium

Chicat
10-08-2009, 06:25 PM
Someone's throwing a fit?

Sorry, I thought all that froth around your mouth was Howland-criticism induced.

Must be the rabies...

Batpig
10-08-2009, 06:41 PM
Sorry, I thought all that froth around your mouth was Howland-criticism induced.

Must be the rabies...
Froth?

Chicat
10-08-2009, 06:43 PM
Froth?

Your best post ever.

By the way, Howland = Captain of the SSucla Failboat

Batpig
10-08-2009, 06:49 PM
Your best post ever.

By the way, Howland = Captain of the SSucla Failboat

You're posting at a magical level today

PerpEph
10-08-2009, 07:06 PM
http://www.funnydog.net/images/bat-pig.jpg

Batpig
10-08-2009, 07:10 PM
http://www.funnydog.net/images/bat-pig.jpg
:lol2: That's what I actually look like in real life

BeachCat97
10-08-2009, 07:15 PM
http://www.funnydog.net/images/bat-pig.jpg

Is that Kevin Love?

Batpig
10-08-2009, 07:24 PM
Is that Kevin Love?

I think it's Rick Majerus

77HoyaCat4Ever
10-08-2009, 07:45 PM
http://heavenlycorn.com/web_images/popcorn_sunscreen.gif

Miller and Howland.

There is a kernel of truth in some of these posts.

TheCat
10-08-2009, 07:58 PM
BC97=Ivan Pavlov
Bruin fans= dogs

MrBug708
10-08-2009, 08:25 PM
BC97=Ivan Pavlov
Bruin fans= dogs

Fail

MrBug708
10-08-2009, 08:27 PM
Well played, sir.

To be serious for a second ... UCLA didn't chase Hill, K-Real, Parrom, Momo or Williams to my knowledge, benefited from Moser de-committing from UA in '08, and hasn't gone head-head with Miller over recruits as often as in the past with Olson, et al. Tyler Lamb listed UA, but he's been solid to UCLA (despite rumors) for months.

Looking at the recruiting charts it would appear UA & UCLA are fighting for a lot of the same recruits, but looks are deceiving. The most notable 2010 battles right now are Ray McCallum, which should go down to the wire, and Terrence Jones (but I don't think that comes down to UA vs. UCLA), and Trey Ziegler waiting until the spring & listing both schools. Josh Smith lists both but seems to be down to UCLA (fave) & UW (udog), and UA hasn't seriously recruited Smith for awhile. Technically Vander Blue & Julian Washburn list both but I don't see either school being a real factor there.

Anthony Brown considered both until committing to Stanford, and others that "listed" both include Richard Solomon (Cal), Kyle Fuller (Vandy), Terrell Stoglin (Maryland), Stephen Holt (St. Mary's), Royce Woolridge (Kansas) and the enigmatic Dominique Ferguson (Florida Int'l). UCLA was a real contender for Brown, and UA was for Ferguson (we think, who knows with that kid), but neither school was a huge factor in the other recruitments.

Looking at 2011, the only common offeree is Norvel Pelle, although Kyle Caudill, Quinn Cook, Cezar Guerrero, Nick Johnson, Wesley Saunders, Shannon Scott, Josiah Turner & Kyle Wiltjer should draw serious mutual interest.

OK, back to the fun ...

http://ct.iscute.com/i20/2/8/31/f_e6763e66ea0a.gif

Good stuff rey! You had about the only serious comment in the thread and it was very insightful

BeachCat97
10-08-2009, 09:04 PM
BC97=Ivan Pavlov
Bruin fans= dogs

Pretty much.

Ben Howland = best days behind him

Sean Miller = best days ahead of him

Flipper
10-09-2009, 01:18 AM
Sigh, I start a serious thread, and lo and behold, it degenerated to this.:)

Hoops season must be around the corner.

Did Daniel B commit yet?;)

Zero
10-09-2009, 01:22 AM
Yes! He committed.
Wasn't worried.

Flipper
10-09-2009, 01:23 AM
Congrats.

MrBug708
10-09-2009, 01:26 AM
I dunno...flipper made enough of the usuals dance in this thread

97cats
10-09-2009, 01:32 AM
huh?

11Banners
10-09-2009, 09:56 AM
Easy bait. All we need is 11bananas

Yeah. That is. OMG.

MrBug708
10-09-2009, 11:33 AM
Yeah. That is. OMG.

Not
Again

BeachCat97
10-09-2009, 12:03 PM
Hey, Bruin fans, how's that '10 class comin? The J Smith to UW announcement should be arriving any day now.

Arizona: soon to be the Pac-10's top program again, as it should be.

UCLA: a stagnant program whose coach can't win the big one.

argaen
10-09-2009, 12:04 PM
Some pretty good trollin in this thread! :lol2:

MrBug708
10-09-2009, 12:09 PM
Hey, Bruin fans, how's that '10 class comin? The J Smith to UW announcement should be arriving any day now.

Arizona: soon to be the Pac-10's top program again, as it should be.

UCLA: a stagnant program whose coach can't win the big one.

There are rumors that Howland is in dangerous waters right now

BeachCat97
10-09-2009, 12:27 PM
There are rumors that Howland is in dangerous waters right now

His job's as safe as any, but over time, you guys are going to grow tired of his lack of imagination on offense and his fruitless tourney appearances. BH's style and strategies will only take a team so far, even when that team has not one, not two, not three, but *four* future NBA players in its starting lineup (Love, Collison, Moute, Westbrook).

Good luck staying within three touchdowns of Oregon tomorrow.

catgrad97
10-09-2009, 12:29 PM
His job's as safe as any, but over time, you guys are going to grow tired of his lack of imaginativity

That is not a word.

BeachCat97= the Don King of Arizona fans

Chicat
10-09-2009, 12:33 PM
BeachCat97= the Don King of Arizona fans

Ben Howland = the Buster Douglas of College Basketball Coaches

;)

Batpig
10-09-2009, 12:47 PM
His job's as safe as any, but over time, you guys are going to grow tired of his lack of imaginativity on offense and his fruitless tourney appearances. BH's style and strategies will only take a team so far, even when that team has not one, not two, not three, but *four* future NBA players in its starting lineup (Love, Collison, Moute, Westbrook).

How long will it take for Arizona fans to start whining about Miller's lack of imaginitivity[sic] I wonder? Miller runs a lot of sets, and is predominantly half court oriented. Pace of play Miller vs. Howland over the past 6 years:

MILLER:
'09 - Raw (157); Ajd. (154)
'08 - Raw (241); Adj. (233)
'07 - Raw (197); Adj. (132)
'06 - Raw (240); Adj. (172)
'05 - Raw (302); Adj. (285)
'04 - Raw (237); Adj. (237)

HOWLAND:
'09 - Raw (205); Ajd. (155)
'08 - Raw (251); Adj. (217)
'07 - Raw (259); Adj. (266)
'06 - Raw (303); Adj. (300)
'05 - Raw (55); Adj. (58)
'04 - Raw (226); Adj. (268)

Truth hurts, get used to "boring" basketball because you guys are about to experience it first hand. I suspect that over time, you guys are going to grow tired of Miller's lack of imaginativity [sic] on offense and his fruitless tourney appearances.

Chicat
10-09-2009, 12:48 PM
Ben Howland = the Buster Douglas of College Basketball Coaches

;)

Sorry, that's not right.

Buster Douglas won a championship.

ghostwhitehorse
10-09-2009, 12:54 PM
That is not a word.

BeachCat97= the Don King of Arizona fans

Closer to Steven Colbert really. . ."imaginativity".

catgrad97
10-09-2009, 01:12 PM
Closer to Steven Colbert really. . ."imaginativity".

Colbert also has intelligence, though.

'ZONA97
10-09-2009, 01:47 PM
How long will it take for Arizona fans to start whining about Miller's lack of imaginitivity[sic] I wonder? Miller runs a lot of sets, and is predominantly half court oriented. Pace of play Miller vs. Howland over the past 6 years:

MILLER:
'09 - Raw (157); Ajd. (154)
'08 - Raw (241); Adj. (233)
'07 - Raw (197); Adj. (132)
'06 - Raw (240); Adj. (172)
'05 - Raw (302); Adj. (285)
'04 - Raw (237); Adj. (237)

HOWLAND:
'09 - Raw (205); Ajd. (155)
'08 - Raw (251); Adj. (217)
'07 - Raw (259); Adj. (266)
'06 - Raw (303); Adj. (300)
'05 - Raw (55); Adj. (58)
'04 - Raw (226); Adj. (268)

Truth hurts, get used to "boring" basketball because you guys are about to experience it first hand. I suspect that over time, you guys are going to grow tired of Miller's lack of imaginativity [sic] on offense and his fruitless tourney appearances.

I think you're the only person, UA and UCLA fan alike, that's taking this thread seriously.

MrBug708
10-09-2009, 01:55 PM
I think he is just setting you guys up for an "I told you so" moment in a few years :]

Batpig
10-09-2009, 01:57 PM
I think he is just setting you guys up for an "I told you so" moment in a few years :]
;)

Batpig
10-09-2009, 01:59 PM
I think you're the only person, UA and UCLA fan alike, that's taking this thread seriously.

:eek:

'ZONA97
10-09-2009, 02:01 PM
:eek:

Ok, so you really believe that RiversideBruin97 believes the sh*t he is talking? Seriously?

If so, you're an idiot, and there's no point in continuing this conversation.

BeachCat97
10-09-2009, 02:11 PM
Wow, somehow "imaginativity" sounded right in my head. Mind the grammatical error.

My point about Howland's limitations, however, still stands. You could even say he has limitationivity.

BeachCat97
10-09-2009, 02:16 PM
How long will it take for Arizona fans to start whining about Miller's lack of imaginitivity[sic] I wonder? Miller runs a lot of sets, and is predominantly half court oriented. Pace of play Miller vs. Howland over the past 6 years:

MILLER:
'09 - Raw (157); Ajd. (154)
'08 - Raw (241); Adj. (233)
'07 - Raw (197); Adj. (132)
'06 - Raw (240); Adj. (172)
'05 - Raw (302); Adj. (285)
'04 - Raw (237); Adj. (237)

HOWLAND:
'09 - Raw (205); Ajd. (155)
'08 - Raw (251); Adj. (217)
'07 - Raw (259); Adj. (266)
'06 - Raw (303); Adj. (300)
'05 - Raw (55); Adj. (58)
'04 - Raw (226); Adj. (268)

Truth hurts, get used to "boring" basketball because you guys are about to experience it first hand. I suspect that over time, you guys are going to grow tired of Miller's lack of imaginativity [sic] on offense and his fruitless tourney appearances.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how a team with four NBA players doesn't at least make the national title game. Not even Florida's back to back title teams were as loaded as that '08 Bruin team. But that's generally how it goes in the FF for Howland-led Bruin teams, right piggy?

Three certainties in life: death, taxes, and Howland getting blitzed in the FF.

'ZONA97
10-09-2009, 02:22 PM
:roll:

MrBug708
10-09-2009, 02:22 PM
Ok, so you really believe that RiversideBruin97 believes the sh*t he is talking? Seriously?

If so, you're an idiot, and there's no point in continuing this conversation.

I think he says a lot of what you all believe but are afraid to say on the board for whatever reason

catgrad97
10-09-2009, 02:26 PM
I think he says a lot of what you all believe but are afraid to say on the board for whatever reason

Now THAT is rich.

You're wrong. I'll just leave it at that.

'ZONA97
10-09-2009, 02:26 PM
I think he says a lot of what you all believe but are afraid to say on the board for whatever reason

You've got to be kidding.

Batpig
10-09-2009, 02:27 PM
Ok, so you really believe that RiversideBruin97 believes the sh*t he is talking? Seriously?

If so, you're an idiot, and there's no point in continuing this conversation.
Ouch, an idiot huh? Dang epic blast. Well played.

But no, I don't really think he's serious, but a lot Arizona fans are when it comes to the "boring old Howland" angle. It's a pretty tried and true company line around these parts, so since this is a pretty active thread, I figured I'd take the opportunity to point out how "boring" it's gonna get around here with Miller as your coach.

Frankly, I think Miller was an outstanding hire; one that is going make life very difficult for Montgomery and Romar in particular, but I just find it funny that he is a pretty similar coach to Howland in terms of coaching philosophy.

Batpig
10-09-2009, 02:27 PM
I'm still waiting for you to explain how a team with four NBA players doesn't at least make the national title game. Not even Florida's back to back title teams were as loaded as that '08 Bruin team. But that's generally how it goes in the FF for Howland-led Bruin teams, right piggy?

Three certainties in life: death, taxes, and Howland getting blitzed in the FF.

You're awesome. Don't ever stop being you. :)

MrBug708
10-09-2009, 02:31 PM
Now THAT is rich.

You're wrong. I'll just leave it at that.

You've got to be kidding.


I thought you guys didn't take this thread serious?

'ZONA97
10-09-2009, 02:37 PM
I thought you guys didn't take this thread serious?

No, just RB97's contributions. But you already knew that. :rolleyes:

Stop trying to be clever. It's not working.

MrBug708
10-09-2009, 02:38 PM
No, just RB97's contributions. But you already knew that. :rolleyes:

Stop trying to be clever. It's not working.

Well I'm glad you disagree with all that he says. It has restored my faith in the Arizona fans :)

Chicat
10-09-2009, 02:41 PM
Frankly, I think Miller was an outstanding hire; one that is going make life very difficult for Montgomery and Romar in particular,

But not Ben Howland?

By the way, I have it on good authority that when Sir Ben is eventually canonized, he'll be the Patron Saint of the Worthless Miracle.

'ZONA97
10-09-2009, 02:49 PM
By the way, I have it on good authority that when Sir Ben is eventually canonized, he'll be the Patron Saint of the Worthless Miracle.

Careful, Batpig will undoubtedly come back with some sort of statistical evidence to prove that Sean Miller will suffer a similar fate.

BeachCat97
10-09-2009, 03:02 PM
Frankly, I think Miller was an outstanding hire; one that is going make life very difficult for Montgomery and Romar in particular, but I just find it funny that he is a pretty similar coach to Howland in terms of coaching philosophy.

Actually, their styles are very different, but I wouldn't expect you to know that. Miller was a PG in college, and his offensive approach reflects that. He wants Nic to push the ball, spread the floor, and get transition baskets. It'll be an up-tempo style, much like the one Lute brought to Tucson.

Last year was a hint of what's coming for Bruin basketball. Teams that look good on paper, with an embarrassment of recruiting riches, but they come up short at critical moments and achieve modest -- not great -- success.

And one season of Josh Smith isn't gonna help. He's no Kevin Love. Howland's system will only take that program so far, but if UCLA fans are content with top three conference finishes, occasional deep runs in the tournament, and *no* NCs, then he's your guy.

Batpig
10-09-2009, 03:04 PM
But not Ben Howland?

No, I don't think he'll give Howland much of a problem. UCLA is going to get elite recruits pretty much no matter what as long as they keep winning and putting guys in the league; as long as Howland is coaching UCLA that will continue to be the case. UCLA largely recruits itself. It certainly remains to be seen whether he'll win championship, but there is no doubt he's an outstnding coach. Miller and Arizona will get theirs, but the majority of the time UCLA is going to land priority recruits from California. Almost exlusively the only elite California guys they've lost under Howland were guys they either didn't offer or slow played and got in on late (Harden, Deon Thompson, Anthony Brown).

I am not saying Miller will never beat Howland head to head in any recruiting battle, far from it, I am just saying that Cal and UW have a lot more to lose with a strong Arizona program than UCLA does. Stanford was able to compete head to head with Arizona when Arizona was in its prime as a program and let's be honest, Stanford is not even a blip on the basketball radar compared to UCLA.

I fully expect Arizona to compete for conference titles year in and year out with Miller, but I don't think UCLA is going to suffer for it. UW and Cal, they stand to lose a lot, especially beacuse Miller is a better coach than Romar and although Monty is outstanding, Cal doesn't really have a great recruiting base.

Batpig
10-09-2009, 03:06 PM
Actually, their styles are very different, but I wouldn't expect you to know that. Miller was a PG in college, and his offensive approach reflects that. He wants Nic to push the ball, spread the floor, and get transition baskets. It'll be an up-tempo style, much like the one Lute brought to Tucson.

Last year was a hint of what's coming for Bruin basketball. Teams that look good on paper, with an embarrassment of recruiting riches, but they come up short at critical moments and achieve modest -- not great -- success.

And one season of Josh Smith isn't gonna help. He's no Kevin Love. Howland's system will only take that program so far, but if UCLA fans are content with top three conference finishes, occasional deep runs in the tournament, and *no* NCs, then he's your guy.
Like I said, never stop being you. Glad you took my advice. ;)

Batpig
10-09-2009, 03:12 PM
But not Ben Howland?

By the way, I have it on good authority that when Sir Ben is eventually canonized, he'll be the Patron Saint of the Worthless Miracle.
Is that similar at all to the UA Basketball Patron Saint of the Overinflated Sense of Personal Historical Relevance?

Flipper
10-09-2009, 03:14 PM
I think he says a lot of what you all believe but are afraid to say on the board for whatever reason

Nah, I think RiversideBruin97 takes the cake all by his lonesome. Most of the guys with his views have stopped posting here.:)

The guys that are still here are ok, and have this deep seated admiration for what Howland's achieved. Heck, they better 'casue Sean Miller's cut from the same cloth. They won't admit it out loud, but they can't wait for Miller to get to Howland's level.;):lutesparky:

the goat
10-09-2009, 03:21 PM
http://ct.iscute.com/i20/2/8/31/f_e6763e66ea0a.gif

Looks like it is that time again...

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6777/costanzapopcorn.gif (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/costanzapopcorn.gif/)

Chicat
10-09-2009, 03:21 PM
No, I don't think he'll give Howland much of a problem. UCLA is going to get elite recruits pretty much no matter what as long as they keep winning and putting guys in the league; as long as Howland is coaching UCLA that will continue to be the case. UCLA largely recruits itself. It certainly remains to be seen whether he'll win championship, but there is no doubt he's an outstnding coach. Miller and Arizona will get theirs, but the majority of the time UCLA is going to land priority recruits from California. Almost exlusively the only elite California guys they've lost under Howland were guys they either didn't offer or slow played and got in on late (Harden, Deon Thompson, Anthony Brown).

I am not saying Miller will never beat Howland head to head in any recruiting battle, far from it, I am just saying that Cal and UW have a lot more to lose with a strong Arizona program than UCLA does. Stanford was able to compete head to head with Arizona when Arizona was in its prime as a program and let's be honest, Stanford is not even a blip on the basketball radar compared to UCLA.

I fully expect Arizona to compete for conference titles year in and year out with Miller, but I don't think UCLA is going to suffer for it. UW and Cal, they stand to lose a lot, especially beacuse Miller is a better coach than Romar and although Monty is outstanding, Cal doesn't really have a great recruiting base.

I wonder why Arizona or anyone else in the Pac-10, or any school across the country for that matter, even bothers to field a team...


Is that similar at all to the UA Basketball Patron Saint of the Overinflated Sense of Personal Historical Relevance?
We all know that Arizona can't hold a candle to UCLA in ANYTHING, and that includes overinflated sense of selves. I bow to you and yours and your domination of all things everywhere.

Batpig
10-09-2009, 03:30 PM
I wonder why Arizona or anyone else in the Pac-10, or any school across the country for that matter, even bothers to field a team...



We all know that Arizona can't hold a candle to UCLA in ANYTHING, and that includes overinflated sense of selves. I bow to you and yours and your domination of all things everywhere.

Good points all around. Acceptance is the first step my son...:herbnit:

catgrad97
10-09-2009, 03:33 PM
Good points all around. Acceptance is the first step my son...:herbnit:

Who told you that to staunch your tear flow after you saw Kevin Craft's first game?

Flipper
10-09-2009, 03:33 PM
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6777/costanzapopcorn.gif (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/costanzapopcorn.gif/)

This is getting funner and funner.:);):cheers:

Batpig
10-09-2009, 03:36 PM
Who told you that to staunch your tear flow after you saw Kevin Craft's first game?

I am aware of no such person playing QB for UCLA, in fact there are approximately 14 UCLA football games from the past 2 season that I am pretty certain never actually happened as I seem to have no recollection of them. Who is this Kevin Craft character?

Flipper
10-09-2009, 03:36 PM
Who told you that to staunch your tear flow after you saw Kevin Craft's first game?

I'll take Neuehisel and the Bruins' immediate and long term future over Stoops and the Widcats.:cool::beer:

'ZONA97
10-09-2009, 03:37 PM
Is that similar at all to the UA Basketball Patron Saint of the Overinflated Sense of Personal Historical Relevance?

When all else fails... :rolleyes:

And you people wonder why UCLA fan gets so much sh*t around here?

EastCoastCat
10-09-2009, 03:38 PM
Forget the popcorn...I'm popping open a beer for this next round.

:beer:

'ZONA97
10-09-2009, 03:40 PM
No, I don't think he'll give Howland much of a problem. UCLA is going to get elite recruits pretty much no matter what as long as they keep winning and putting guys in the league; as long as Howland is coaching UCLA that will continue to be the case. UCLA largely recruits itself. It certainly remains to be seen whether he'll win championship, but there is no doubt he's an outstnding coach. Miller and Arizona will get theirs, but the majority of the time UCLA is going to land priority recruits from California. Almost exlusively the only elite California guys they've lost under Howland were guys they either didn't offer or slow played and got in on late (Harden, Deon Thompson, Anthony Brown).

I am not saying Miller will never beat Howland head to head in any recruiting battle, far from it, I am just saying that Cal and UW have a lot more to lose with a strong Arizona program than UCLA does. Stanford was able to compete head to head with Arizona when Arizona was in its prime as a program and let's be honest, Stanford is not even a blip on the basketball radar compared to UCLA.

I fully expect Arizona to compete for conference titles year in and year out with Miller, but I don't think UCLA is going to suffer for it. UW and Cal, they stand to lose a lot, especially beacuse Miller is a better coach than Romar and although Monty is outstanding, Cal doesn't really have a great recruiting base.

Wow. How about a dash of humility to go with your super-sized arrogance?

Again, people wonder why UCLA fan catches so much flack around here?

TheCat
10-09-2009, 03:43 PM
Careful, Batpig will undoubtedly come back with some sort of statistical evidence to prove that Sean Miller will suffer a similar fate.


I think his statistical analysis showed Miller playing faster than Ben in all but two years. How is that possible when you are playing with final four caliber teams?

Oh well.....I am hoping for some 30-28 games with Ben (with Az coming out on top).

TheCat
10-09-2009, 03:46 PM
No, I don't think he'll give Howland much of a problem. UCLA is going to get elite recruits pretty much no matter what as long as they keep winning and putting guys in the league; as long as Howland is coaching UCLA that will continue to be the case. UCLA largely recruits itself. It certainly remains to be seen whether he'll win championship, but there is no doubt he's an outstnding coach. Miller and Arizona will get theirs, but the majority of the time UCLA is going to land priority recruits from California. Almost exlusively the only elite California guys they've lost under Howland were guys they either didn't offer or slow played and got in on late (Harden, Deon Thompson, Anthony Brown).

I am not saying Miller will never beat Howland head to head in any recruiting battle, far from it, I am just saying that Cal and UW have a lot more to lose with a strong Arizona program than UCLA does. Stanford was able to compete head to head with Arizona when Arizona was in its prime as a program and let's be honest, Stanford is not even a blip on the basketball radar compared to UCLA.

I fully expect Arizona to compete for conference titles year in and year out with Miller, but I don't think UCLA is going to suffer for it. UW and Cal, they stand to lose a lot, especially beacuse Miller is a better coach than Romar and although Monty is outstanding, Cal doesn't really have a great recruiting base.

This the same Howland that was the overwhelming favorite to win the PAC-10 last year?:lol2::lol2:

Your last sentence is even stupid for you.........:)

TheCat
10-09-2009, 03:48 PM
The bell is ringing and the dogs are salivating......happens like clock work.

TheCat
10-09-2009, 03:51 PM
Is that similar at all to the UA Basketball Patron Saint of the Overinflated Sense of Personal Historical Relevance?

Beats ancient history .........................................

:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2:

Batpig
10-09-2009, 03:56 PM
When all else fails... :rolleyes:

And you people wonder why UCLA fan gets so much sh*t around here?
I wasn't the one to initiate the feces throwing. Feel free to view it through that lense though, I know you will regardless.

Batpig
10-09-2009, 03:58 PM
I think his statistical analysis showed Miller playing faster than Ben in all but two years. How is that possible when you are playing with final four caliber teams?

Oh well.....I am hoping for some 30-28 games with Ben (with Az coming out on top).

You're talking about a real world difference of about 1/2 a possession per game, maybe 1 possession.

Batpig
10-09-2009, 03:59 PM
Beats ancient history .........................................

:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2:

Oops, that's not an argument you can win either.

Batpig
10-09-2009, 04:00 PM
This the same Howland that was the overwhelming favorite to win the PAC-10 last year?:lol2::lol2:

Your last sentence is even stupid for you.........:)

Yeah, unless a coach wins his conference and goes to final four every year it's a pock mark on his track record.

That logic is stupid even for you...:)

Batpig
10-09-2009, 04:04 PM
Wow. How about a dash of humility to go with your super-sized arrogance?

Again, people wonder why UCLA fan catches so much flack around here?
You misunderstood my point. I didn't say Arizona wouldn't challenge for the conference crown, in fact I specifically said they would. I said that I don't think Miller or by extension, a resurgent Arizona program, would cause much of a problem for the UCLA program's ability to have continued elite level success.

I've never seen a fanbase with a bigger inferiority complex about their rival. Pretty surprising.

'ZONA97
10-09-2009, 04:13 PM
Bu.. bu.... but he started it! NANANNANANA

fify

'ZONA97
10-09-2009, 04:15 PM
You misunderstood my point. I didn't say Arizona wouldn't challenge for the conference crown, in fact I specifically said they would. I said that I don't think Miller or by extension, a resurgent Arizona program, would cause much of a problem for the UCLA program's ability to have continued elite level success.

I've never seen a fanbase with a bigger inferiority complex about their rival. Pretty surprising.

Louisville to UK is pretty comparable. :rolleyes:

You see UA fan as having an inferiority complex... UA fan sees you as having a God complex... And the world keeps on keeping on...

Chicat
10-09-2009, 04:16 PM
I wasn't the one to initiate the feces throwing.

Yeah, but bat guano, pig feces, and bear scat are three of the more (ob)noxious forms of excrement...

F Duke
10-09-2009, 04:23 PM
I'll take Neuehisel and the Bruins' immediate and long term future over Stoops and the Widcats.

You obviously haven't followed Slick Rick's coaching career.

Batpig
10-09-2009, 04:30 PM
Louisville to UK is pretty comparable. :rolleyes:

You see UA fan as having an inferiority complex... UA fan sees you as having a God complex... And the world keeps on keeping on...

Hey at least you guys are back on UCLA's radar, so you got that going for you. :cheers:

Batpig
10-09-2009, 04:33 PM
This thread rules by the way. Really lets you know that the season must be very close. Feels good... :argue:

T-Bone
10-09-2009, 04:37 PM
Hey at least you guys are back on UCLA's radar, so you got that going for you. :cheers:

Gee, I wonder what made people call you out for being annoying in this thread. Everything you've posted has been objective and rational.

Batpig
10-09-2009, 04:47 PM
Gee, I wonder what made people call you out for being annoying in this thread. Everything you've posted has been objective and rational.
LOL! Come on, you can't possibly have taken that comment seriosuly...could you?

Outstanding avatar and "location" by the way. BEST. MOVIE. EVER. My favorite at least. Dressed as Bowling Nixon for the Bay Area LebowskiFest. Good times.

T-Bone
10-09-2009, 04:51 PM
LOL! Come on, you can't possibly have taken that comment seriosuly...could you?

Outstanding avatar and "location" by the way. BEST. MOVIE. EVER. My favorite at least. Dressed as Bowling Nixon for the Bay Area LebowskiFest. Good times.

At least we agree on your edit. :)

Batpig
10-09-2009, 05:03 PM
At least we agree on your edit. :)

For sure. It's like my brother and I always say - "Either you love The Big Lebowski or you just don't get it."

And hey man, I am not trying to be a prick, just trying not to take this stuff too seriously. It's fun to voice your opinions and I do like to talk a little bit, but mostly just trying to have a good time.

11Banners
10-09-2009, 05:11 PM
You obviously haven't followed Slick Rick's coaching career.

Rick's recruiting transformed from his 9 corner strategy in his latter years at UW to emphasizing both lines.

TheCat
10-09-2009, 05:13 PM
Oops, that's not an argument you can win either.

It is the only argument you have when it comes to championships.

TucsonClip
10-09-2009, 05:15 PM
How long will it take for Arizona fans to start whining about Miller's lack of imaginitivity[sic] I wonder? Miller runs a lot of sets, and is predominantly half court oriented. Pace of play Miller vs. Howland over the past 6 years:

MILLER:
'09 - Raw (157); Ajd. (154)
'08 - Raw (241); Adj. (233)
'07 - Raw (197); Adj. (132)
'06 - Raw (240); Adj. (172)
'05 - Raw (302); Adj. (285)
'04 - Raw (237); Adj. (237)

HOWLAND:
'09 - Raw (205); Ajd. (155)
'08 - Raw (251); Adj. (217)
'07 - Raw (259); Adj. (266)
'06 - Raw (303); Adj. (300)
'05 - Raw (55); Adj. (58)
'04 - Raw (226); Adj. (268)

Truth hurts, get used to "boring" basketball because you guys are about to experience it first hand. I suspect that over time, you guys are going to grow tired of Miller's lack of imaginativity [sic] on offense and his fruitless tourney appearances.

Ua's pace under Pennell last year was just fine for mostly everyone. Compare the numbers, Miller's Xavier squad last year had a quicker adjusted pace than Arizona's.

Not a problem.

TheCat
10-09-2009, 05:17 PM
Yeah, unless a coach wins his conference and goes to final four every year it's a pock mark on his track record.

That logic is stupid even for you...:)

That is not what your last sentence said. Having trouble reading it?

TheCat
10-09-2009, 05:20 PM
Hey at least you guys are back on UCLA's radar, so you got that going for you. :cheers:


Probably when we surpassed their tourney run last year.....thanks for noticing.

TheCat
10-09-2009, 05:23 PM
You misunderstood my point. I didn't say Arizona wouldn't challenge for the conference crown, in fact I specifically said they would. I said that I don't think Miller or by extension, a resurgent Arizona program, would cause much of a problem for the UCLA program's ability to have continued elite level success.

I've never seen a fanbase with a bigger inferiority complex about their rival. Pretty surprising.

Especially when they have a winning record head to head. Where you really see it is on the UCLA website where they post in droves. :lol2::lol2:

Batpig
10-09-2009, 05:29 PM
That is not what your last sentence said. Having trouble reading it?
I wasn't talking about my last sentence, I was talking about the rest of your insipid post.

I can't see what I said in the last sentence of that post that would possibly irritate you. You don't think Miller is a better coach than Romar? You don't think Cal is a generally weak recruiting base? The issue is that you simply don't understand the point I was making, which I clarified subsequently. I can't help you understand something if it's just over your head. Maybe go back and read it again.

Batpig
10-09-2009, 05:31 PM
Probably when we surpassed their tourney run last year.....thanks for noticing.
Dude, settle down it was joke. Who are you trying to convince, me or yourself?

Batpig
10-09-2009, 05:41 PM
Especially when they have a winning record head to head. Where you really see it is on the UCLA website where they post in droves. :lol2::lol2:
Try again - UCLA is 46-31 all time vs. Arizona.

scumdevils86
10-09-2009, 06:11 PM
Epic!

MrBug708
10-09-2009, 06:31 PM
I heart thecat

CBCat
10-09-2009, 08:40 PM
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9010/f28814974d3e13516658bd4.gif (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/f28814974d3e13516658bd4.gif/)

Classic

CBCat
10-09-2009, 08:44 PM
http://www.funnydog.net/images/bat-pig.jpg

oh gawd
this is awesome esp after such a hard day at work today. thank you.

CBCat
10-09-2009, 08:49 PM
Actually, their styles are very different, but I wouldn't expect you to know that. Miller was a PG in college, and his offensive approach reflects that. He wants Nic to push the ball, spread the floor, and get transition baskets. It'll be an up-tempo style, much like the one Lute brought to Tucson.

Last year was a hint of what's coming for Bruin basketball. Teams that look good on paper, with an embarrassment of recruiting riches, but they come up short at critical moments and achieve modest -- not great -- success.

And one season of Josh Smith isn't gonna help. He's no Kevin Love. Howland's system will only take that program so far, but if UCLA fans are content with top three conference finishes, occasional deep runs in the tournament, and *no* NCs, then he's your guy.

Well they were sort of kind of use to this with Lavin so I think they're good with this.

Gronks_Nightie
10-09-2009, 08:53 PM
BUCKETS!!!

(These threads have always entertained me.)

BeachCat97
10-09-2009, 09:23 PM
Try again - UCLA is 46-31 all time vs. Arizona.

Yeah, but during and since the Lute era, we're ahead.

TheCat
10-09-2009, 09:48 PM
I wasn't talking about my last sentence, I was talking about the rest of your insipid post.

I can't see what I said in the last sentence of that post that would possibly irritate you. You don't think Miller is a better coach than Romar? You don't think Cal is a generally weak recruiting base? The issue is that you simply don't understand the point I was making, which I clarified subsequently. I can't help you understand something if it's just over your head. Maybe go back and read it again.


Right.....your post are so insightful only a genius can get them.......thanks for sharing with the mortals....now run along to BRO or wherever you go.

MrBug708
10-09-2009, 09:50 PM
Yeah, but during and since the Lute era, we're ahead.

And we all know basketball started with lute olson. That is kind of like oregon football fans using everything from 1992 on as the only worthwhile timeframe

TheCat
10-09-2009, 09:50 PM
I heart thecat


You are a very sweet young man but I don't swing that way..............

TheCat
10-09-2009, 09:52 PM
Try again - UCLA is 46-31 all time vs. Arizona.

I recognize nothing before Lute........just like you guys recognize nothing after JW......

Seems fair to me.......I also don't recognize any championship before the four corners was banned, the game clock was invented, 3 point line, or before Wooden retired. Just my criteria.

BeachCat97
10-09-2009, 10:37 PM
And we all know basketball started with lute olson. That is kind of like oregon football fans using everything from 1992 on as the only worthwhile timeframe

No, it's not that basketball began with Lute Olson; it's that UCLA's greatest successes did not occur during what is roundly acknowledged as the "modern era."

UCLA Basketball is only relevant in a historical sense. They're the program that everyone knows used to be good -- way back before most of us were born -- but they haven't consistently been among the nation's elite since the 70s. They haven't been able to achieve the enduring stature of programs like UNC, Kentucky, and Kansas.

The game that John Wooden coached is very different from the one that we've seen since the 80s. Men's college basketball is more competitive today than it was during Wooden's tenure. This is part of the reason that you don't see teams winning consecutive national titles. There is simply more for coaches to overcome and manage today than Wooden could've ever dreamed of. It's not his fault that he was born so early; in a sense we could say he was ahead of his time, having coached before NCAA hoops matured as a sport and industry. Wooden -- like, say, Tiger Woods -- had the misfortune (or advantage, depending on you look at it) of being essentially peerless; there was no other coach or program that could come close to UCLA in the 60s and 70s. But this has just as much to do with basketball being a still-developing sport in those years as it does with Wooden's ability. In the 60s and 70s, college basketball wasn't nearly as profitable and popular as it became in the 80s. The expansion to a 64 team tournament, along with a couple guys named Magic and Bird, had a lot to do with modernizing the sport and capturing the American public's attention. It was around this time that college basketball started becoming a much bigger industry, especially in terms of advertising and television revenue. The small group of "good" programs from mid century up to the 70s (UCLA, Kansas, Kentucky, Ohio State, UNC) suddently ballooned to a much larger roster of genuinely competitive programs that could challenge for a national title. Again, this is why, since the 70s, there have only been *two* back to back champions (Duke and Florida).

In the modern era, UCLA has *one* national title. One. That puts them alongside programs like Louisville, Georgetown, Villanova, Syracuse, Maryland, and yes, Arizona. Since the expansion to 64 teams, UCLA has *not* consistently been among the nation's best programs, like Duke, UNC, Kentucky, UConn, and Kansas. Arizona has actually spent more time in that upper tier than UCLA.

CalStateTempe
10-09-2009, 10:39 PM
No, it's not that basketball began with Lute Olson; it's that UCLA's greatest successes did not occur during what is roundly acknowledged as the "modern era."

UCLA Basketball is only relevant in a historical sense. They're the program that everyone knows used to be good -- way back before most of us were born -- but they haven't consistently been among the nation's elite since the 70s. They haven't been able to achieve the enduring stature of programs like UNC, Kentucky, and Kansas.

The game that John Wooden coached is very different from the one that we've seen since the 80s. Men's college basketball is more competitive today than it was during Wooden's tenure. This is part of the reason that you don't see teams winning consecutive national titles. There is simply more for coaches to overcome and manage today than Wooden could've ever dreamed of. It's not his fault that he was born so early; in a sense we could say he was ahead of his time, having coached before NCAA hoops matured as a sport and industry. Wooden -- like, say, Tiger Woods -- had the misfortune (or advantage, depending on you look at it) of being essentially peerless; there was no other coach or program that could come close to UCLA in the 60s and 70s. But this has just as much to do with basketball being a still-developing sport in those years as it does with Wooden's ability. In the 60s and 70s, college basketball wasn't nearly as profitable and popular as it became in the 80s. The expansion to a 64 team tournament, along with a couple guys named Magic and Bird, had a lot to do with modernizing the sport and capturing the American public's attention. It was around this time that college basketball started becoming a much bigger industry, especially in terms of advertising and television revenue. The small group of "good" programs from mid century up to the 70s (UCLA, Kansas, Kentucky, Ohio State, UNC) suddently ballooned to a much larger roster of genuinely competitive programs that could challenge for a national title. Again, this is why, since the 70s, there have only been *two* back to back champions (Duke and Florida).

In the modern era, UCLA has *one* national title. One. That puts them alongside programs like Louisville, Georgetown, Villanova, Syracuse, Maryland, and yes, Arizona. Since the expansion to 64 teams, UCLA has *not* consistently been among the nation's best programs, like Duke, UNC, Kentucky, UConn, and Kansas. Arizona has actually spent more time in that upper tier than UCLA.

http://k43.pbase.com/o5/42/267742/1/68416045.wGDPMlLK.popcorn.gif Good popcorn

MrBug708
10-09-2009, 10:48 PM
http://k43.pbase.com/o5/42/267742/1/68416045.wGDPMlLK.popcorn.gif Good popcorn

Agreed

Flipper
10-09-2009, 11:43 PM
Yeah, but during and since the Lute era, we're ahead.

Yeah, but during and since the Howland era, we're ahead. AGAIN.:);)

scumdevils86
10-09-2009, 11:49 PM
I think it says a lot when 3 UCLA posters alone have amassed almost 15,000 posts on this board combined...

Flipper
10-09-2009, 11:53 PM
I think it says a lot when 3 UCLA posters alone have amassed almost 15,000 posts on this board combined...

Hey now, I've been here since the Lavin years. Accumulated most of my posts then. 'Aint no bandwagoner here.:)

scumdevils86
10-09-2009, 11:55 PM
Haha not accusing anyone of bandwagoning. Just saying I bet no three Arizona posters on a UCLA board or anywhere else have that many posts.

Flipper
10-10-2009, 12:04 AM
Haha not accusing anyone of bandwagoning. Just saying I bet no three Arizona posters on a UCLA board or anywhere else have that many posts.


Prolly not.:)

AKA, this is the best "free" forum around, and it just so happen that it's the one program we consider the best rival in hoops. Don't feel like paying at BRO, since we'll be agreeing on most points anyways.

I don't feel like discussing football at any Trojan sites. Arrogant bunch to say the least, although I respect Carroll a lot.

scumdevils86
10-10-2009, 12:07 AM
GoAzCats...delivers more win than Howland!

BeachCat97
10-10-2009, 12:53 AM
Yeah, but during and since the Howland era, we're ahead. AGAIN.:);)

Let's just go post-Wooden. I'm not sure where or how to look it up, but I bet we're ahead of you, including the Howland era. Lute had a *ton* of wins against Harrick and Lavin.

EastCoastCat
10-10-2009, 08:44 AM
No, it's not that basketball began with Lute Olson; it's that UCLA's greatest successes did not occur during what is roundly acknowledged as the "modern era."

UCLA Basketball is only relevant in a historical sense. They're the program that everyone knows used to be good -- way back before most of us were born -- but they haven't consistently been among the nation's elite since the 70s. They haven't been able to achieve the enduring stature of programs like UNC, Kentucky, and Kansas.

The game that John Wooden coached is very different from the one that we've seen since the 80s. Men's college basketball is more competitive today than it was during Wooden's tenure. This is part of the reason that you don't see teams winning consecutive national titles. There is simply more for coaches to overcome and manage today than Wooden could've ever dreamed of. It's not his fault that he was born so early; in a sense we could say he was ahead of his time, having coached before NCAA hoops matured as a sport and industry. Wooden -- like, say, Tiger Woods -- had the misfortune (or advantage, depending on you look at it) of being essentially peerless; there was no other coach or program that could come close to UCLA in the 60s and 70s. But this has just as much to do with basketball being a still-developing sport in those years as it does with Wooden's ability. In the 60s and 70s, college basketball wasn't nearly as profitable and popular as it became in the 80s. The expansion to a 64 team tournament, along with a couple guys named Magic and Bird, had a lot to do with modernizing the sport and capturing the American public's attention. It was around this time that college basketball started becoming a much bigger industry, especially in terms of advertising and television revenue. The small group of "good" programs from mid century up to the 70s (UCLA, Kansas, Kentucky, Ohio State, UNC) suddently ballooned to a much larger roster of genuinely competitive programs that could challenge for a national title. Again, this is why, since the 70s, there have only been *two* back to back champions (Duke and Florida).

In the modern era, UCLA has *one* national title. One. That puts them alongside programs like Louisville, Georgetown, Villanova, Syracuse, Maryland, and yes, Arizona. Since the expansion to 64 teams, UCLA has *not* consistently been among the nation's best programs, like Duke, UNC, Kentucky, UConn, and Kansas. Arizona has actually spent more time in that upper tier than UCLA.

You left out the most important reason why UCLA was able to win all of those NC's - there were no scholarship limitations so Wooden could just stockpile the talent.

MrBug708
10-10-2009, 12:11 PM
I dont think that's right

EastCoastCat
10-10-2009, 12:46 PM
I dont think that's right

Yes it was. It might have not been unlimited scholarships but it sure was a helluva lot more than today's restrictions.

Lew Alcindor's Freshman team (Freshman were ineligible at that time) beat the varsity team...how many scholarships do you think they awarded to both squads?