Stoops: "fighting with a toothpick"

[What I See]

Originally Posted by chiefzona1472

Stoops is a clown with the circus sideshow. The show must go on, right Mike?

But is he wrong? No.

[Winger]

Originally Posted by UAdevil

Stoops said Arizona has the facilities, attractiveness and athletes to reverse its string of four losing seasons.

It did and he was right.

I get that that makes for good message board banter but it's devoid of intellectual honesty.

Stoops did reverse the losing seasons.

Stoops recently was talking about competing for championships when he made the comment regarding facilities.

Apples and oranges.

He was right then.

And he is right now.

[azcat49]

Originally Posted by Winger

It did and he was right.

I get that that makes for good message board banter but it's devoid of intellectual honesty.

Stoops did reverse the losing seasons.

Stoops recently was talking about competing for championships when he made the comment regarding facilities.

Apples and oranges.

He was right then.
And he is right now.

That is the point everyone has been missing, geez. They all just want to bag in Stoops. We don't have the commitment yet everyone wants a Rose Bowl

[uacats]

Originally Posted by AZ2ATX

and this is the guy you've been backing the entire time? Those sideline passes must have meant a lot to you I assume?

I'm not backing Stoops, he should have been given the full year because I never like to lose and thats why we lost to Washington (worse team than us last year), Utah and Colorado. My expectations to keep Stoops was 5-4 in the Pac 10/12 (even missing WSU/Cal)

My problem is with RR and his Arizona is a disaster - it's going to take me four years. Arizona football is not a Championship progam - but talent wise the last four years - we are better than Washington, WSU, Oregon State, UCLA and ASU. Not sure about Cal, I think it has been pretty even. Now throw in Utah - we are pretty even and Colorado - we have more talent.

Oregon, Stanford and SC are clearly more talented than anyone in the Pac 10/12 and I don't go full retard at being 0-8 versus them the last two years (throw in Oklahoma State).

If we are looking up at anyone other than SC or Utah (I will be honest and say Utah has an advantage not playing Stanford/Oregon) RR will have failed.

[Gladiator Cat]

AZCAT49,

If I understand you're view correctly it appears that there is still no commitment within the football program. We all have our evaluation hats on and will all likely derive at a different conclusion on progress of that said progress.

Having said that, what exactually would need to take place for you to be convinced that the UofA has taken a “committed” stance with the football program.

If a $73 Million NEZ infrastructure upgrade doesn't show commitment, then what in your mind would need to take place to meet a realistic set of prerequisite's that would signal that the corner has been turned?

I would like to hear some specific's if you have them.

[illcat]

Originally Posted by gladiator cat

azcat49,

if i understand you're view correctly it appears that there is still no commitment within the football program. We all have our evaluation hats on and will all likely derive at a different conclusion on progress of that said progress.

Having said that, what exactually would need to take place for you to be convinced that the uofa has taken a “committed” stance with the football program.

If a $73 million nez infrastructure upgrade doesn't show commitment, then what in your mind would need to take place to meet a realistic set of prerequisite's that would signal that the corner has been turned?

I would like to hear some specific's if you have them.

+1

[jimson]

Where does commitment come from?

The AD went out and got a proven coach, albeit after a less than stellar experience at Michigan lowered his stock a bit and gave him the money to hire all of his guys. We have the new video scoreboard jumbotron thing, the NEZ and isn't there also an SEZ project slated?

Sounds to me like there has never been more of a commitment.

Just didn't happen in time for Stoops to take advantage of it.

Tucson has the potential to go football crazy. There were times during the Tomey years that we were close. It may be the Kool-aid but I think we are on our way.

[Katzenfreund]

This discussion is moot. Stoops is no HC, no CEO, no leader. His chances to win a championship in the SEC wouldn't be much higher than at Arizona. Even programs like Alabama and Auburn need more than a raging chimp in charge to be successful. He rode the coattails of Bob at Oklahoma and of Mark and Sonny in Tucson. When they left Stoops tanked. His dismal statistics say it all. There's a reason no one, except his own brother, hired him.

[uacats]

Originally Posted by Gladiator Cat

AZCAT49,

Having said that, what exactually would need to take place for you to be convinced that the UofA has taken a “committed” stance with the football program.

If a $73 Million NEZ infrastructure upgrade doesn't show commitment, then what in your mind would need to take place to meet a realistic set of prerequisite's that would signal that the corner has been turned?

I would like to hear some specific's if you have them.

Stadium Improvements - are we commited?
Cal $320 million (a school with money problems) > $73 million
Washington $260 million > $73 million

Jiminez - worst practice facility Pac 12 - 1/2 mile from new NEZ locker rooms
NEZ/SEZ is not a practice facility.

Still have to go to a high school for practice on rain days.

Assistant coaches recruit by private plane? Ask Akina.

[BearDown89]

Originally Posted by uacats

Stadium Improvements - are we commited?
Cal $320 million (a school with money problems) > $73 million
Washington $260 million > $73 million

Jiminez - worst practice facility Pac 12 - 1/2 mile from new NEZ locker rooms
NEZ/SEZ is not a practice facility.

Still have to go to a high school for practice on rain days.

Assistant coaches recruit by private plane? Ask Akina.

You my friend are the definition of a half-empty glass.

[Cats101]

Originally Posted by uacats

Stadium Improvements - are we commited?
Cal $320 million (a school with money problems) > $73 million
Washington $260 million > $73 million

Jiminez - worst practice facility Pac 12 - 1/2 mile from new NEZ locker rooms
NEZ/SEZ is not a practice facility.

Still have to go to a high school for practice on rain days.

Assistant coaches recruit by private plane? Ask Akina.

If Arizona took on the renovations California and Washington are doing, where would they play?

I think Byrne is more committed to football than Livengood will/would of ever been, just not committed to Stoops.

[Gladiator Cat]

Great uacat's, you laid out some numbers and the vortex between top ($200 M +) to bottom ($73 M) is significant. OK great, where do we go from here.

So I'll ask you the same question's as I asked AZCAT49. I would like to hear some specifics and real projections, not pie in the sky speculation that would be virtually impossible meet financially or to make happen in Tucson for whatever reason.

What piece of dirt would used to improve facilities. Where and what infrastructure/building's/ practice fields would be constructed to fulfill some arbitrary set of neat pretty assets so we can say we are keeping up with the Jones of the PAC12.

I mean, do we need to meet or exceed UW and Cal's $200 Million + numbers to be apart of the club or do we just want to ***** just for the sake of *****ing.

Understand, I'm not saying that we've met our goals at $73M in infrastructure upgrades. But to hear some around here makes it sound like we haven't ever done anything.

Again, what are your specific's!

Thanks

[uacats]

Originally Posted by BearDown89

You my friend are the definition of a half-empty glass.

Have you ever been to a practice at Salpointe?


Have you ever been a football player at Arizona, dress out for a practice at Salpointe, and the busses not show up because there are not any available?

[uacats]

Originally Posted by Gladiator Cat

Great uacat's, you laid out some numbers and the vortex between top ($200 M +) to bottom ($73 M) is significant. OK great, where do we go from here.

So I'll ask you the same question's as I asked AZCAT49. I would like to hear some specifics and real projections, not pie in the sky speculation that would be virtually impossible meet financially or to make happen in Tucson for whatever reason.

What piece of dirt would used to improve facilities. Where and what infrastructure/building's/ practice fields would be constructed to fulfill some arbitrary set of neat pretty assets so we can say we are keeping up with the Jones of the PAC12.

I mean, do we need to meet or exceed UW and Cal's $200 Million + numbers to be apart of the club or do we just want to ***** just for the sake of *****ing.

Understand, I'm not saying that we've met our goals at $73M in infrastructure upgrades. But to hear some around here makes it sound like we haven't ever done anything.

Again, what are your specific's!

Thanks

1. Walk over to Jiminez and notice you don't have 100 yards of field turf North and South. You have 35 yards East and West. THATS WHY WE GO TO SALPOINTE. So if the clowns that came up with that idea are still here - they need to be fired.

2. There was talk about getting rid of the road between the ticket office and Sancet (for locker room for baseball). I think if you could have done that it would have been better to get rid of the road between the library and Bear Down Field (talk about a road that is not used) and thats were my practice field would be when the NEZ project is done. Students can have Jiminez with the 100 yards of field turf (which football could use on rain days).

[Gladiator Cat]

OK, what do I hear as a counter argument to realistic football upgrades that can be REALISTICALLY financed............cricket’s …......nothing but crickets.

The hundreds of millions of dollars that need to be raised through non-Municipal Bond initiatives are a little harder to come by than most here want to admit.

You see folks there is no panacea, unicorns, or Santa delivering gifts.

We're talking about real money here and that **** don't grow on tree's.