True Story about Farmer that was never supposed to be told... - Page 2

ecw12345 · 10-29-2003

... there is more to it as well. He wanted the dept to pay off parking tickets for him (several hundred $$ worth). Can you spell CANCER? He was in the biggest way. What a waste.

WilmasPimp · 10-29-2003

Anyone know the reason Farmer was suspended/booted?
NewportCat gave us some good examples of bad behavior. Is there anything else I am missing? Didn't RCF say he knew what was up or is it still a secret?

I guess we obviously don't care about winning if we just threw our best player off the team for simply being a punk. Someone please tell me I am missing something here.

catgrad97 · 10-29-2003

PARKING tickets? Good God. University workers dropped a branch through my trunk window once, caving in the frame, in a UNIVERSITY parking lot. But I have to pay for all the repairs myself.

Yet Clarence feels like the university should foot the bill because he doesn't know how to park? Wow. This is going to be just the first of MANY reality checks for Clarence Farmer.

TAILGATER · 10-29-2003

I guess I have to be the first to say this, maybe Mack new a little bit more about this football team then we give him credit for. Never got along with Farmer, turns out Farmer was just as big a loser as Mack wanted us to think. What about Justin (thats not my stuff) Lavasser, total disgrace to his family. Yeah he was! Who else did Mack have a problem with??? Keep an eye on them. Might be seeing something soon.

As for the end of the Tomey era. No chance. U of A will have to win Nat'l Champ to get rid of the Tomey era. All you have to do is read bandwagon Hanson in the dailey star!!! If the next coach we bring in doesn't win right away dill weed Hanson will write about how Tomey should have never been canned.

CaptCarnage · 10-29-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by WilmasPimp
I guess we obviously don't care about winning if we just threw our best player off the team for simply being a punk. Someone please tell me I am missing something here.

I think we do care about winning. But a punk who is a Senior and supposed to be a role model for the younger players cannot be allowed carte blanche to act and do whatever he pleases. Winning involves mental and physical discipline as well as a positive attitude. Farmer has proven multiple times that he sorely lacks all these attributes. While not the only thing, I believe these ideals translate to the quality of performance on the field.

I wish Clarence good luck in the future, but am glad that Hanky saw fit to relieve the team of another cancer.

Perhaps now that Clarence is FREE, we can give him a shirt with his new motto: "Want fries with that?"

ecw12345 · 10-29-2003

Quote:

I guess we obviously don't care about winning if we just threw our best player off the team for simply being a punk. Someone please tell me I am missing something here.

You're not serious right? I'll list:

He wanted the U to buy him a car. (against NCAA rules)
He wanted the U to pay his parking tickets. (against NCAA rules)
He didn't get along with Dick Tomey. (butthole)
He didn't get along with Mackovic. (maybe butthole)
He didn't get along with Hankowitz (now we know he's a butthole)
He got into a fist fight with a coach. (major butthole)
He didn't abide by team rules, didn't go to practices on time, didn't go to meetings on time, thought it was his world and everyone else was just a squirrel trying to get a nut. (kicked off, and about damn time, still a butthole)

Anything else you'd like the guy to do before he gets thrown off the team? He wasn't just a punk. And even if he was, yes, it's perfectly ok to throw ANYONE off the team for "simply being a punk". Punks are usually team cancers... and Clarence was obviously a very malignant cancer. Good riddance.

NewportCat · 10-29-2003

just completely forgot about it. Wilmas, Trust me when I say there were way too many reasons why he was kicked off the team. Many felt he should have been kicked off long before. This while it might not seem, is good for the program and sends a message that needed to be sent long ago.

The parking ticket story and the car story are both 100% true and ask anyone in the athletic department or on the football team if you do not believe them

CourtCat · 10-29-2003

it was a little late for farmer to help us win...so i don't think that his being booted is a sign of anything like what wp said.

is it possible that hanky was feeling a little guilty for ending up in mac's spot and thought he would try to do his old buddy a favor by coming down extra hard on farmer and in some strange way validating mac and helping to restore his image? just a thought.

at this point in the year with farmer being a senior who cares what happens to him. i love the guy and he was our best player but i am sure the detroit tigers had a best player this year and look what that got them.

and....i don't really buy into any of these stories/rumors about farmer...are you serious? does anyone really believe this garbage? wouldn't he have been gone long long ago?!

WilmasPimp · 10-29-2003

Well if he really got into a fist fight with a coach that is certainly a reasonable explanation for him to be kicked off the team.

All that other stuff happens at every other school. If we were in contention for the Pac-10 title I bet C-Farm is still on the team.

Chris Bonney · 10-29-2003

JJ, check your PM box dude.

Bonney

pharmlabor · 10-29-2003

I have never seen so much invective heaped on one player.

Maybe it's just another sign of how negative the FB season has been. If U of A wins again this year it will be counted as an unbelievable miracle.

As for the stories, despite the affirmations, I find them very hard to believe. Parking tickets I can believe, because I know kids can be lackadasical. That doesn't make them felons though. Irresponsible, perhaps.

Fist fights with a coach? Again, hard to believe.

There are always 2 sides to every story. It's not that I'm disagreeing with the Hankster, it's just that in this situation the coaches have all the power in doing what they do. Maybe it was the right decision, but the reality may be somewhere between what we read in the papers, what is posted here, and what we haven't heard from the other party.

I think the whole scenario is awful and I'm not going to be happy about this dismissal or call him a cancer to the team.

I'm not in the athletic dept. and I don't think I could (or anyone else for that matter) simply call them up and ask for verification of the above.

UofAcat23 · 10-29-2003

Is what I have seen from games or heard from quotes. From that I gather that Farmer was definitly not a cancer to the team. He bled red and blue. He stuck with the cats through Mackovic when he could have easily walked away. He was the most energetic player on the team (besides Hardt) and was always trying to pump the fans up (AND THE FANS ACTUALLY RESPONDED). He tried to get the team to bond. The players respected him. Heavner said Farmer helped him out and Fraser said he is a great guy. He has also activly helped recruiting.

So basically, he recruited, he had the team's respect, he produced on the field, and he helped build team unity. Hmm... that's more than i can say about the last head coach. If only we had more cancers like Clarence Farmer...

WilmasPimp · 10-29-2003

It's safe to say that when you look up the word "interim coach" in the dictionary, you won't see a picture of Mike Hankwitz.

Jim Livengood probably hoped Hankwitz would keep things low-key, maybe win a game or two, and steer the ship back to port as quietly as possible while waiting for the new captain.

Instead he tries to lobby for himself as new head coach, outright blows two games, tries to make his players the scapegoats by suspending them, gets blown out yet again, then starts kicking players off the team.

Nice job Hankwitz, maybe win a game next time before you start deciding who is good enough to play at the UofA and who isn't.

WildcatPaulG · 10-30-2003

WilmasPimp... bringing it... good response...

Is there any surprise why Hankwitz and Mackovic are good friends? Suspending anyone who they take issue with...

Lord, bring Dan Hawkins to us.

CourtCat · 10-30-2003

where did the fist fight with a coach come from? di i miss that in the paper or something?

10-29-2003	#16
ecw12345 GOAZCATS.com Redshirt Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Not far fetched... ... there is more to it as well. He wanted the dept to pay off parking tickets for him (several hundred $$ worth). Can you spell CANCER? He was in the biggest way. What a waste.

10-29-2003	#17
WilmasPimp GOAZCATS.com Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4,614 Rep Power: 4188418	Anyone know the reason Farmer was suspended/booted? NewportCat gave us some good examples of bad behavior. Is there anything else I am missing? Didn't RCF say he knew what was up or is it still a secret? I guess we obviously don't care about winning if we just threw our best player off the team for simply being a punk. Someone please tell me I am missing something here. __________________ "When I transfered (sic) to the UA I was 'invited' to join 5 fraternities without having to pledge" - Auercat

10-29-2003	#18
catgrad97 Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ice. And the balls. Posts: 30,035 Rep Power: 21474917	PARKING tickets? Good God. University workers dropped a branch through my trunk window once, caving in the frame, in a UNIVERSITY parking lot. But I have to pay for all the repairs myself. Yet Clarence feels like the university should foot the bill because he doesn't know how to park? Wow. This is going to be just the first of MANY reality checks for Clarence Farmer. __________________ The history of Arizona speaks for itself. This time of year, we not only represent ourselves, but all the great players and teams of the past. --Sean Miller, March 2013

10-29-2003	#22
NewportCat Johnny Optimist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 2,510 Rep Power: 18955508	I also knew the parking ticket story.. just completely forgot about it. Wilmas, Trust me when I say there were way too many reasons why he was kicked off the team. Many felt he should have been kicked off long before. This while it might not seem, is good for the program and sends a message that needed to be sent long ago. The parking ticket story and the car story are both 100% true and ask anyone in the athletic department or on the football team if you do not believe them __________________ Yours truly, Mr. Optimistic (as long as I am not talking about the US Economy or Mike Stoops)

10-29-2003	#24
WilmasPimp GOAZCATS.com Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4,614 Rep Power: 4188418	Well if he really got into a fist fight with a coach that is certainly a reasonable explanation for him to be kicked off the team. All that other stuff happens at every other school. If we were in contention for the Pac-10 title I bet C-Farm is still on the team. __________________ "When I transfered (sic) to the UA I was 'invited' to join 5 fraternities without having to pledge" - Auercat

10-29-2003	#19
TAILGATER GOAZCATS.com Redshirt Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	I guess I have to be the first to say this, maybe Mack new a little bit more about this football team then we give him credit for. Never got along with Farmer, turns out Farmer was just as big a loser as Mack wanted us to think. What about Justin (thats not my stuff) Lavasser, total disgrace to his family. Yeah he was! Who else did Mack have a problem with??? Keep an eye on them. Might be seeing something soon. As for the end of the Tomey era. No chance. U of A will have to win Nat'l Champ to get rid of the Tomey era. All you have to do is read bandwagon Hanson in the dailey star!!! If the next coach we bring in doesn't win right away dill weed Hanson will write about how Tomey should have never been canned.

10-29-2003	#23
CourtCat GOAZCATS.com Senior Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 566 Rep Power: 21	it was a little late for farmer to help us win...so i don't think that his being booted is a sign of anything like what wp said. is it possible that hanky was feeling a little guilty for ending up in mac's spot and thought he would try to do his old buddy a favor by coming down extra hard on farmer and in some strange way validating mac and helping to restore his image? just a thought. at this point in the year with farmer being a senior who cares what happens to him. i love the guy and he was our best player but i am sure the detroit tigers had a best player this year and look what that got them. and....i don't really buy into any of these stories/rumors about farmer...are you serious? does anyone really believe this garbage? wouldn't he have been gone long long ago?!

10-29-2003	#25
Chris Bonney BANNED USER Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4,729 Rep Power: 0	JJ, check your PM box dude. Bonney

10-29-2003	#26
pharmlabor GOAZCATS.com Freshman of the Year Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 114 Rep Power: 103497	Stories and more stories I have never seen so much invective heaped on one player. Maybe it's just another sign of how negative the FB season has been. If U of A wins again this year it will be counted as an unbelievable miracle. As for the stories, despite the affirmations, I find them very hard to believe. Parking tickets I can believe, because I know kids can be lackadasical. That doesn't make them felons though. Irresponsible, perhaps. Fist fights with a coach? Again, hard to believe. There are always 2 sides to every story. It's not that I'm disagreeing with the Hankster, it's just that in this situation the coaches have all the power in doing what they do. Maybe it was the right decision, but the reality may be somewhere between what we read in the papers, what is posted here, and what we haven't heard from the other party. I think the whole scenario is awful and I'm not going to be happy about this dismissal or call him a cancer to the team. I'm not in the athletic dept. and I don't think I could (or anyone else for that matter) simply call them up and ask for verification of the above.

10-29-2003	#27
UofAcat23 GOAZCATS.com 2003, 2004 Football & 2005 Basketball RAP Contest Champion! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Moorpark Posts: 9,340 Rep Power: 21474876	All I know... Is what I have seen from games or heard from quotes. From that I gather that Farmer was definitly not a cancer to the team. He bled red and blue. He stuck with the cats through Mackovic when he could have easily walked away. He was the most energetic player on the team (besides Hardt) and was always trying to pump the fans up (AND THE FANS ACTUALLY RESPONDED). He tried to get the team to bond. The players respected him. Heavner said Farmer helped him out and Fraser said he is a great guy. He has also activly helped recruiting. So basically, he recruited, he had the team's respect, he produced on the field, and he helped build team unity. Hmm... that's more than i can say about the last head coach. If only we had more cancers like Clarence Farmer...

10-30-2003	#29
WildcatPaulG Video Guru Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tucson Posts: 8,190 Rep Power: 1116669	WilmasPimp... bringing it... good response... Is there any surprise why Hankwitz and Mackovic are good friends? Suspending anyone who they take issue with... Lord, bring Dan Hawkins to us. __________________ DeuceSooth is a loser that I am going to stomp!

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